M16 .22lr conversion kit

hoytinak · June 30, 2008, 09:48 PM

All these full auto threads lately are making me feel bad about not being about to afford to shoot my M16 as much as I'd like.

So the question is this: can I buy any AR .22lr conversion upper kit that would work on my M16? If not does anyone make a complete (upper, bolt, mags) kit for M16's? Never really looked into converting the M16 but these ammo prices are catching up to me.

Lavid2002 · June 30, 2008, 09:51 PM

sure do, the ceiner kit is for ar15 or m16 but it has a splecial "balancer" or something of the sort. here....http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm
Enjoy! P.S. its a peice of u know what for the first 500 rounds....mine was. Break it in. Polish the crap on the moving parts and shell love ya! Not one FTF yet! And not one FTE since my break in !

hoytinak · June 30, 2008, 09:56 PM

wow that was quick.....thanks

shaggy · June 30, 2008, 10:17 PM

Try www.spikestactical.com

They're making their own version of the Ciener kit which is FAR better than the crap Jon Ciener puts out. Better machining, nickel plated finish, ball detent anti-bounce (instead of the crappy little anti-bounce weight), and best of all you don't have to deal with Ciener to get one.

VUPDblue · July 1, 2008, 07:26 AM

What Shaggy said! Though I have a crappy JACkass kit in my Spike's upper it runs like a top. I don't hardly ever shoot 5.56 anymore, unless I'm introducing a 'virgin' to FA fire...

ISC · July 1, 2008, 09:24 AM

just don't expect much in the way of accuracy if your rifle has a fast twist rate.

hoytinak · July 1, 2008, 09:38 AM

It's about 750 RPM, I got pretty accurate with the 5.56 so the .22lr shouldn't be too bad with practice.

Thanks for the link to Spike's...I'm going to go ahead and get his complete conversion upper.

VUPDblue · July 1, 2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ISC

just don't expect much in the way of accuracy if your rifle has a fast twist rate.

When I'm dumping 30 rounds downrange in 1.5 seconds, accuracy is the least of my worries...

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoytinak

Thanks for the link to Spike's...I'm going to go ahead and get his complete conversion upper.

Be sure to specify that you need the M16 kit. They ship standard with the semi kit. Also, be sure to specify that you want the Spike's bolt, not the JACkass bolt.

hoytinak · July 1, 2008, 10:01 AM

Cool thanks for the help....now I'll be able to to use the fun switch more.

VUPDblue · July 1, 2008, 10:03 AM

That's why I got it. I've been stockpiling .22lr for some time now. At this point, I have enough to start, finish and win a war with a small country...

Don't forget to order a pile of Black Dog mags with that upper...

Chipperman · July 4, 2008, 03:42 PM

Are there any Pre-Ban Black Dog mags?

I've also been wanting a .22 upper for my M16, but have had trouble sorting out which mags are available for which uppers. I need to have Pre-Ban mags, as I live in MA. :barf:

Yes, I can have a machine gun, but not post-ban hi caps.

shaggy · July 4, 2008, 03:53 PM

There's no pre-ban BlackDog mags, but since those mags are made to fit a Ciener-type .22 conversion, you could use the original 30rd Ciener steel mags, which should be all pre-ban. They used to be quite pricey - around $50-60 each from Ciener - but possibly you might find a better deal as most people can use the less expensive (and somewhat more reliable) "no-ban" BlackDog mags.

Chipperman · July 5, 2008, 07:31 AM

So the Ciener mags will fit in a Spike's upper?

Cool, Thanks.

shaggy · July 5, 2008, 09:03 AM

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So the Ciener mags will fit in a Spike's upper?

Yup. Spike's was originally using kits they bought from Ciener for their .22 uppers. Now they are manufacturing their own .22 conversion for their uppers, which is basically a Ciener kit made by a better manufacturer (Spike), with a few nice upgrades (upgraded firing pin, nickel plating, better machining). The original steel mags hold 30, but in my experience, get significantly less reliable after you pass 25.

VUPDblue · July 5, 2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

The original steel mags hold 30, but in my experience, get significantly less reliable after you pass 25.

I have 0.00% working experience witht the steel Ciener mags, but I do own around 40 of the Black Dog mags, both the originall skinnys and the full size. The skinnys reliably feed every one of the 30 rounds and the full bodies reliably feed all of the 27 rounds for me in both semi and full auto. FWIW last I looked the new Cieners were $79.99 each whereas the BDMs can be had for $27...

Chipperman · July 5, 2008, 12:38 PM

hmmmm,
I'll have to talk with The Warden about releasing funds for one of these.

I'm thinking a Spike's Tactical 10" flattop with a red dot would be pretty tasty.

2ndchance · August 10, 2008, 06:58 PM

I'm not a big fan of the conversions, if they utilize the existing AR barrel. The barrel twist is not designed to shoot a 22LR bullet with much accuracy.

If you have a real M16, then you should consider a dedicated 22LR upper. I own two of the CZ v22 uppers. As a matter of fact, I have one for sale.

Model 1 Sales and Spike Tactical also sells uppers. They'll run about $450 to $550. They use a modified Ciener bolt.

If you want to take a look at what I have for sale, it's on this forum.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=303971

VUPDblue · August 11, 2008, 11:03 AM

The CZ upper will not run on an M16 lower. The bolt has no provision for a sear trip. I am also no fan of the drop-in conversions for use in your existing FA M16 setup. If you'll notice, this thread was started asking about a dedicated upper conversion...

June 30, 2008, 09:48 PM	#1
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	M16 .22lr conversion kit All these full auto threads lately are making me feel bad about not being about to afford to shoot my M16 as much as I'd like. So the question is this: can I buy any AR .22lr conversion upper kit that would work on my M16? If not does anyone make a complete (upper, bolt, mags) kit for M16's? Never really looked into converting the M16 but these ammo prices are catching up to me.

June 30, 2008, 09:51 PM	#2
Lavid2002 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2007 Posts: 2,568	yep sure do, the ceiner kit is for ar15 or m16 but it has a splecial "balancer" or something of the sort. here....http://www.22lrconversions.com/atch-pg.htm Enjoy! P.S. its a peice of u know what for the first 500 rounds....mine was. Break it in. Polish the crap on the moving parts and shell love ya! Not one FTF yet! And not one FTE since my break in ! __________________ Math>Grammar

July 1, 2008, 07:26 AM	#5
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	What Shaggy said! Though I have a crappy JACkass kit in my Spike's upper it runs like a top. I don't hardly ever shoot 5.56 anymore, unless I'm introducing a 'virgin' to FA fire... __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

July 1, 2008, 10:03 AM	#10
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	That's why I got it. I've been stockpiling .22lr for some time now. At this point, I have enough to start, finish and win a war with a small country... Don't forget to order a pile of Black Dog mags with that upper... __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

August 11, 2008, 11:03 AM	#18
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	The CZ upper will not run on an M16 lower. The bolt has no provision for a sear trip. I am also no fan of the drop-in conversions for use in your existing FA M16 setup. If you'll notice, this thread was started asking about a dedicated upper conversion... __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

June 30, 2008, 09:56 PM	#3
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	wow that was quick.....thanks

June 30, 2008, 10:17 PM	#4
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	Try www.spikestactical.com They're making their own version of the Ciener kit which is FAR better than the crap Jon Ciener puts out. Better machining, nickel plated finish, ball detent anti-bounce (instead of the crappy little anti-bounce weight), and best of all you don't have to deal with Ciener to get one.

July 1, 2008, 09:24 AM	#6
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	just don't expect much in the way of accuracy if your rifle has a fast twist rate.

July 1, 2008, 09:38 AM	#7
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	It's about 750 RPM, I got pretty accurate with the 5.56 so the .22lr shouldn't be too bad with practice. Thanks for the link to Spike's...I'm going to go ahead and get his complete conversion upper.

July 1, 2008, 10:01 AM	#9
hoytinak Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,721	Cool thanks for the help....now I'll be able to to use the fun switch more.

July 4, 2008, 03:42 PM	#11
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	Are there any Pre-Ban Black Dog mags? I've also been wanting a .22 upper for my M16, but have had trouble sorting out which mags are available for which uppers. I need to have Pre-Ban mags, as I live in MA. :barf: Yes, I can have a machine gun, but not post-ban hi caps.

July 4, 2008, 03:53 PM	#12
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	There's no pre-ban BlackDog mags, but since those mags are made to fit a Ciener-type .22 conversion, you could use the original 30rd Ciener steel mags, which should be all pre-ban. They used to be quite pricey - around $50-60 each from Ciener - but possibly you might find a better deal as most people can use the less expensive (and somewhat more reliable) "no-ban" BlackDog mags.

July 5, 2008, 07:31 AM	#13
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	So the Ciener mags will fit in a Spike's upper? Cool, Thanks.

July 5, 2008, 12:38 PM	#16
Chipperman Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Live Free or Die, Baby! Posts: 1,550	hmmmm, I'll have to talk with The Warden about releasing funds for one of these. I'm thinking a Spike's Tactical 10" flattop with a red dot would be pretty tasty.

August 10, 2008, 06:58 PM	#17
2ndchance Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2008 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 180	I'm not a big fan of the conversions, if they utilize the existing AR barrel. The barrel twist is not designed to shoot a 22LR bullet with much accuracy. If you have a real M16, then you should consider a dedicated 22LR upper. I own two of the CZ v22 uppers. As a matter of fact, I have one for sale. Model 1 Sales and Spike Tactical also sells uppers. They'll run about $450 to $550. They use a modified Ciener bolt. If you want to take a look at what I have for sale, it's on this forum. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=303971