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March 6, 2011, 09:05 PM | #26 | |
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I also have a saiga 12 but I shot 5 stand with mine it all comes down to the people going to that paticular range. At my range thelle allow you to use any shotgun asking as you have somesort of butstock on it. Rottieman I'm on you side with thisone. As long as your safe with whatever your doin then go on and do it.
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March 6, 2011, 09:13 PM | #30 |
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oneounceload, Seems to me you are trolling. Nothing wrong with shooting a Saiga 12 at ANY sporting event. Heck they even make chokes for them. Nothing wrong with wearing a pistol to the line FOR ANY REASON as long as its legal and/or its not against the rules. Tons of people have been killed at ranges for their firearms. In PA there was a recent spree of murders at their local public ranges. Its simple. If you don't like it you can leave. If the range officer doesn't like it, they can tell the shooter to leave. Plain and simple.
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March 6, 2011, 09:16 PM | #32 |
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Oneounceload if you were there shooting with me and asked us not to shoot the 10 round mag cause you thought it was unsafe I would of stoped. I do respect the wishes of other people but the range master did not have a problem with it. They way you did type the comment about people have that type of gun It did sound like you were saying we were unsafe people.
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March 6, 2011, 09:21 PM | #36 |
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Here's a better question, why do people want to handicap themselves with only two rounds? That's the silly part of shooting skeet, not their fear of black guns.
On the other hand I'm considering a Mossberg HS12 as my first over under. |
March 6, 2011, 09:27 PM | #37 | |
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It comes down to safety - which is why Beretta developed the UGB break-open semi auto gun - in Europe, a safety officer has to be able to determine that every gun is safe when not on the shooting line - he can only do that if he can determine that each gun is broken open This is where I am coming from - there's no reason for open carry, multi-round magazines or anything else. If you can prove your shotgun is safe and only loading 2 rounds max, then have at it - but remember, folks are watching you to make sure things are safe - that adds distraction - annoying to someone trying to run the line at trap or skeet if you can demonstrate safe habits - have at it |
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March 6, 2011, 09:29 PM | #38 |
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The max i had was 4 round at 4 stations 1 from high house 1 from low house then doubles
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March 6, 2011, 09:40 PM | #39 |
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rottieman - here's the deal - for safety reasons -yes at station 1 you will fire 4 shots, possibly 5, total (including option). however, you never need to load more than 2 - whether a mag or tube gun, this is important for several reasons
one - it changes the balance with added weight two - and more importantly from a safety aspect - if there is a glitch with the machines......a NOT-uncommon scenario - you might forget about one of the rounds inadvertently - thereby allowing you to have a loaded weapon as you walk off station It doesn't matter if you are 18 and the Saiga is you first gun or if you are 65 and shooting the same Browning for 60 years OOPS happen and the rules are there to make sure those odds are the smallest as possible THAT'S where I am coming from - if that upsets some folks.....I don't care if it means someone doesn't get hurt because "I thought it was unloaded", then so be it Hope you understand that |
March 6, 2011, 09:42 PM | #40 |
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Iam a new guy here, so hello everyone.
Secondly, I htink how Rottie is being flamed for something that is considered safe and usable at his range doesnt mean that people whos ranges dont allow them should be throwing stones. Ranges around my area love saigas and 10 round mags, and let people use them for skeet/trap.
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March 6, 2011, 10:08 PM | #41 |
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It comes down to safety - which is why Beretta developed the UGB break-open semi auto gun - in Europe, a safety officer has to be able to determine that every gun is safe when not on the shooting line - he can only do that if he can determine that each gun is broken open
See now that makes sense to me....I thought it was just people being paranoid, but I can understand this completely now. Thanks for explaining it. |
March 6, 2011, 10:18 PM | #42 |
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Everyone should take a deep breath and chill.
A couple things..... A year or two ago I was lent a box stock Saiga 12 with two five round mags for an extended T&E. When I showed it to the Geezer Squad, they tried it out. That means that guys with accumulated centuries of shotgunning behind them set down a Model 12 Trap, a Winchester 21 and a nice little Parker 20 to shoot the Kalishnikov. They liked it and we were shooting trap. I do not care if the guy next to me on the line is shooting a Mossberg, a Piotti, or a belt fed 8 gauge,as long as they are safe and courteous( in that order) I'm fine with it. |
March 6, 2011, 10:22 PM | #43 |
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like you said dave, it all boils down to safety. theres no difference between safety of a 5 round mag or 10 round, or even a 2 round mag, its all the operator of the gun. if youve been deemed safe by the range operator, then your good.
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March 6, 2011, 10:39 PM | #44 |
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As a newbie, I have to say this is a bunch of horse ****.
While I have taken a black 18" short barrel to the skeet range, at a public club that allows shorter barrels, every one was friendly on both the skeet and trap fields. Perhaps because I didn't have an attitude. I suspect that you were displaying an attitude not only by toting the S12, but the glock. Although a newbie, I have been out this year over a half dozen times to shotgun ranges and have yet to see anyone carrying a pistol; including range officers. As for what the LEO did, officers are people like all of us and some of them do stupid things. Let's get one thing straight, did the range officer actually tell you it was alright to load up the mag or are assuming it was OK because he did not object. If you had express permission and no one else was on the field, I see nothing wrong with shooting a full mag without changing stations. Otherwise, I don't want to be around you. |
March 6, 2011, 10:45 PM | #45 |
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We did ask the range master first and the range was clear except for me and the shooter and we stayed in 1 spot. I stood off to his left side pressing the buttons to to the high and low house.
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March 6, 2011, 11:10 PM | #46 |
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I see no big deal with loading up the mag, then, but I still wonder about carrying the loaded pistol. Was there even a pistol range?
Regarldess, for safety reasons like others pointed out the only firearm that is to be loaded is the one being shot and only then while on your station. Why were you even carrying and are you aware that some interpretations of concealed carry law is that a permit only entitles you to carry concealed, but here you were open carrying a loaded weapon. |
March 6, 2011, 11:50 PM | #47 |
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wow u guys need to chill out
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March 7, 2011, 12:19 AM | #48 |
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Usally the range rules will mirror the insurance policy for the club. Normally the first rule is that the only loaded gun on the premises is one that is having a presented target thrown. It will only have the number of rounds that equal the number of targets thrown. This means all others are unloaded and broken open. That goes for all firearms. If you have a gun you carry then you need to pull the clip and open the action. It probably is in violation of the insurance policy, thus the range rules. I would think that this is an accurate description of most clubs with insurance.
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March 7, 2011, 12:39 AM | #49 |
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sorry olddrum1, but i have a small itch for people that say "clip" when referring to a magazine.
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March 7, 2011, 12:56 AM | #50 |
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I believe Will Ferrell in Anchorman said it best when he said
"Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast." |
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