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June 21, 2019, 07:54 AM | #26 |
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Very eloquent..
"Because people that have disassembled a Ruger cylinder assembly know that a Swiss Army knife isn't going to do the job in a manner conducive to continued operation of the revolver." That sounds so much better than "you are screwed". |
June 21, 2019, 09:00 AM | #27 | |
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June 21, 2019, 09:32 AM | #28 |
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Very true, but putting a gun in a vice and pulling the trigger with a mechanical device has very little to do with real world shooting.
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June 21, 2019, 10:21 AM | #29 | ||
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Optimally, they would be put in Ransom rests, but I've not been able to find anyone who's done that. I would think any unbiased tests would do that, but they don't. I understand that any two guns may differ in accuracy, but I suspect the S&W would win. But until such tests are done, we'll never know. The Security-Six lacks locks and (more importantly) underlugs on the barrels. They never should have been "upgraded." I ground the grips to take rounded butt Pachmayers. But not on my 6-incher. Quote:
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June 21, 2019, 11:05 AM | #30 | |
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The one thing I love about the Rugers is the easy disassembly. The action can be smoothed just by dry firing, with Wolff springs, of course! The modular designs are brilliant. I've never had to take the cylinder apart, but check out the Security-Six. There's no excess steel, no underlugs, and I like the 2-spring design. I also like my gun to have grips, not studs. Why? Because the GP-100 has, in my view, horrible balance. I know why Ruger wants the weight up front, but I want the balance to allow for great pointing, and I just don't find the same problem with the Security-Six that I do with the GP100. Even though the gun is forward weighted, the balance of the 686 is far better than the GP-100s, again, in my view. -- |
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June 21, 2019, 11:51 AM | #31 | |
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June 21, 2019, 12:01 PM | #32 |
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For Ruger Security Six mavens you will like this (or maybe not) This is an example of an early model (serial nbr prefix 150). It was in the process of being refurbed and part of the process was to modify the grip frame to accept grips (with slight removal of material from the top) made for later models. This is not a stainless gun.
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June 23, 2019, 05:35 PM | #33 | |
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A revolver is made up of tolerances. One wouldn't think b/c gap would affect accuracy, but I recall an article years ago that indicated the perfect gap was .006. On S&W revolvers, such as the Model 66, the tolerance was .004 -.009. Anything within that was fine. I recall one of my revolvers had a whopping .013. I sent it back to S&W and they moved the cylinder forward so that it measured .006. But then the headspace became excessive! You can't just move the cylinder forward without screwing up the other end! (It's like cutting off three feet of a bed sheet and sewing it onto the other end to make it longer!) Those were the dark days of Bangor Punta. But when the 686 came out, S&W shrunk their tolerances. And it resulted in a much better revolver. I never saw sloppy construction. I learned of a couple of cops who had 681s that not only were inaccurate, the front sights were being rubbed down by their holsters. Turns out that somebody wasn't watching the heat treat. The specs were dead on accurate with the headspace, b/c gap and such. The steel was just soft and the bullets and holsters were taking their toll. S&W sent them back two new guns that were like match grade accurate. What are the tolerances now? I don't know. But I know the tolerances on the Rugers have never been as good as the early S&W 686s. Usually, the Rugers will be very accurate with the 158-gr JHPs, but with the 125-gr and lighter JHPs not so much. But cranked into Ransom rests, the S&Ws were almost always more accurate than Rugers. Again, things may have changed today, where computers may play a part in the production cycle --- I don't know. Back in the late 70s, a fellow on the NRA tech staff showed me how to drop a 125gr JHP into each of the chambers on a .357. Optimally, the bullet should catch in each chamber (don't push them through!). A well-fitted chamber should not let the bullet drop through, he said. For self defense, it's not that much of an issue, but if you compete, you may want to note the chambers and avoid them when accuracy is crucial. -- Last edited by Stargater53; June 23, 2019 at 05:40 PM. |
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June 24, 2019, 11:00 AM | #34 |
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"The GP is 'rugged', overbuilt, heavier, and unrefined.
The 686 is leaner, lighter, more refined, and more precise." It is interesting to note that the 686 and GP100 are the same weight: https://ruger.com/products/gp100/specSheets/1705.html https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-686 Last edited by vba; June 25, 2019 at 02:00 PM. |
June 24, 2019, 08:43 PM | #35 |
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686 is a smoother gun.
The GP is a tank. The GP is normally cheaper. Either is a very good choice. |
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And, the .327 Federal version, which is what I owned, weighs more than Ruger's blanket "40 oz". Smaller bore. Smaller holes in the cylinder. More weight. I weighed mine with two different styles of grips. The list of weights on my wall says the.327 Federal GP100 was 43 oz with factory Hogue grips and an empty cylinder.
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June 25, 2019, 02:03 PM | #37 |
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Of course the .327 version would weigh more. Jeez, I was talking about same caliber.
I even linked to the .357 versions of the guns in question. |
June 25, 2019, 02:42 PM | #38 |
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Indeed.
Hence my reply, "Nominally. Not exactly." The 686 is lighter.
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June 25, 2019, 07:04 PM | #39 |
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First off, I don’t have a Ruger revolver, but have a 686 and a Python. I bought the 686 to sort of replace the Python. I was afraid the grandkids would finally wear out my Python, so I got the 686 to take over the workload. The trigger pull, SA and DA, of the 686 was not as good as the Python, which was no real surprise. After a gunsmith smoothed it out, the 686 trigger pull is equally good as that of the Python, though I shoot better in DA with the Python.
Accuracy, off hand and off bags are equal, as best as I can tell. If I had to make one shot, for all the money, at a reasonable distance, I don’t know which one I’d pick. Sorry this has no Ruger info, but I figured what I had couldn’t hurt. |
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