New Rash of Campus Carry Legislation

Sefner · February 6, 2011, 12:49 PM

With the recent election, currently 8 (actually now 7, see Virginia) states are considering campus carry legislation. Also why is it that almost every news article about a piece of legislation does not cite a bill number? Isn't that a kind of, you know, basic source that should be included?

Texas: http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133466...es?ft=1&f=1001 (Couldn't find a bill number)
Michigan: http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?se...cal&id=7920403 (Senate Bill 0058 and House Bill 4009)
Oklahoma: http://www.necn.com/01/25/11/Okla-se...7d15ae9a5332b0 (Senate Bill 585)
Mississippi: couldn't find an article... (Senate Bill 2469)
Virginia: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...20891/&h=65b52 (This bill failed in the Senate)
Utah: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politic...earms.html.csp (couldn't find a bill number someone help me out here)
Arizona: http://thedailycougar.com/2011/02/01/guns-campus/ (Found a few numbers here, SB 1201 for faculty only, HB 2014 and HB 2479 for faculty and students, and House Bill 2001)
Nebraska: http://www.care2.com/causes/educatio...aska-solution/ (No bill number, and this is for K-12)

If anyone has any more information post it here and I'll update OP.

I, for one, thought this issue would be fought in the courts but it looks like the first battles will be fought in the state legislatures and we are 0-1 so far.

lunchbox · February 27, 2011, 10:57 AM

I dont get on to check much. Im glad to see so many other states are doing the same as Texas is.

Is there a way updates on this thread can be sent to my email? I can get my email by phone

lunchbox · February 27, 2011, 10:59 AM

file 13 that request I found it thanks.

Don H · February 27, 2011, 05:14 PM

Utah: I believe it's HB 75 (now HB 75S01) that's being referred to in the article and the text can be found here: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0075S01.htm
Carry in public schools and on public school property, as allowed by the federal GFSZA, has been legal for some years. Some universities/colleges have chosen to interpret Utah's law to mean that the firearm must be concealed, although the law doesn't specify that. HB 75S01 will clarify that the law also allows open carry in the same manner that concealed carry is allowed.

Note that the proposed law has already been amended and is subject to further amendments in the legislative process, often to the point that it bears no resemblance to the original bill and it ends up being dropped.

SVO · February 27, 2011, 09:59 PM

Texas is HB 86, filed by Rep. Simpson.

Glenn E. Meyer · February 28, 2011, 10:12 AM

I think there are other versions of the TX bill, but I can't look now.

I might have this wrong (not surprising) but 86 also compelled private school carry and the one actual up only allows public campuses. Might be wrong on that! But I know that's an issue.

Sefner · February 28, 2011, 04:38 PM

Thanks guys! Not letting me edit OP, edit button is not there... is there an edit lock after a certain time or something?

Don H · February 28, 2011, 05:21 PM

Sefner,

I believe there's a 3 or 4 day window in which one can edit a post.

SVO · February 28, 2011, 05:35 PM

@ Glen - Scrolling thru the House bills, that was the only one that I saw, but not to say that I didn't overlook one. Also, I didn't think to check the Senate bill list. But did see lots of what appeared to be non-gun foolishness in the House.

Glenn E. Meyer · March 2, 2011, 10:24 AM

The TX chl forum seems to have rumblings that the parking lot bill may get submerged in committee again. That's what happened the last time.

Somehow big business interests always get to those progun legislators. Hmm!

Hope I'm wrong in my cynical view. They've been contacted and say the right things but you know bills about banning tanning salons are more important.

Coyote Perry managed to get other crap on the emergency train - not gun stuff, but he supports it. Hmm!

TexasFats · March 2, 2011, 01:34 PM

The Texas CHL Forum reported that the Texas Parking Lot bill was reported out yesterday with a "Do Pass" recommendation. What is interesting is that Rodney Ellis voted for it. He can usually be counted on to oppose anything that helps gun owners.

Glenn E. Meyer · March 2, 2011, 01:51 PM

Oh, good. The last I saw was from Cotton that we should all call as it might be stalled.

Sefner · March 4, 2011, 10:31 AM

Tom Gresham did a bonus podcast on this issue and makes one of the best arguments I've heard on this issue:

http://traffic.libsyn.com/guntalk/Ca...ry_Podcast.mp3

His points are that it's not about students carrying (even thought students carry everywhere else in college towns with no incident), it's about adults carrying. He also says that colleges are usually State-owned land, why are we not allowed to carry on State-owned land?

Definitely worth a listen to anyone concerned about this issue.

ang4me · March 21, 2011, 01:20 PM

Being a grad student in a major [read: crime infested!] metro area SUCKS. Here's hoping some of this stuff passes and my home state will eventually get on board with it.

WeedWacker · March 22, 2011, 01:54 PM

Idaho has a bill headed to the Senate.

FrankenMauser · March 22, 2011, 02:41 PM

Utah's bill number is:
House Bill 75, 1st Substitute. (HB 75 Substitute, or HB75S01)

As mentioned by Don H, the amendment process in Utah is rather frustrating. It is extremely easy to get "Poison Pill" amendments added to a bill before a vote. Although HB 75 passed and was signed by the governor on March 22, it almost failed.

Several amendments were so poorly written, they essentially recreated the entire reason for introducing the bill - ambiguous, unclear definitions.

Two amendments nearly passed, that would have held a person legally in possession of a firearm responsible for all actions, injuries, and costs incurred, should the school have gone into lockdown. (Even if it was an inappropriate 911 call, made by a trouble-making student, attempting to create a panic.)

Last minute changes made the bill acceptable, but it's still not as "gun friendly" as many had hoped.

Glenn E. Meyer · March 23, 2011, 02:40 PM

Here's a nice article from U of Texas, Arlington on campus carry.

http://www.theshorthorn.com/index.ph...-wont-hurt-you

Of course, the nervous nellies won't change their mind.

FTG-05 · March 23, 2011, 05:48 PM

Excellent news.

ZeSpectre · March 23, 2011, 07:50 PM

That article from "The Shorthorn" was truly excellent.

Mutatio Nomenis · March 25, 2011, 10:39 PM

Damn, I was hoping I'd be able to take my gun with me to college. I've had to explain to my parents that it's not to facilitate murder or coercion; it's there in case if something like a V-Tech attempt goes down. I'm not looking to be a hero, but I'd rather have a gun over knowledge that the Police will be here and resolve this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

Get this: "Emergency services response
Police took nearly six minutes to enter the barricaded building. When they could not break the chains, an officer shot out a deadbolt lock leading into a laboratory; they then moved to a nearby stairwell.[11] As police reached the second floor, they heard Cho fire his final shot."

It's been going on for two hours, thirty undeserving people are dead, and the Police didn't even do anything! I'm normally a nice, non-confrontational guy, but I'm not the sort to roll over and let myself be slain without a fight

Going over it, I believe that if even only one or two students in either of the buildings had guns and ammo, they wouldn't have hesitated to put a stop to it. Nice going, gun-free zones; you made it into a personal safety-free zone.

pvt.Long · April 8, 2011, 08:37 AM

Now that the law will pass. I'm personally excited about it. I really don't feel safe in one of the only places I cannot carry. My class has had this heated discussion over and over again. Most of what was said, was sadly outrageous and misinformed.Whats everyones thoughts on this?

Glenn E. Meyer · April 8, 2011, 09:01 AM

Doesn't look good in TX right now - a reply of past years. Lots o' support and then committee tricks to kill it. This time with a primarily gun favoring legislature and Coyote Killin' Perry. So I guess if you buy a signed Coyote Killin' Special LCP you can't take it to school or keep it in the parking lot.

Yellowfin · April 8, 2011, 02:13 PM

Someone's gotta clear the hurdle here so when the wife and I have kids in the next few years we can pick a pro-campus carry state we can choose their 529 plan and get started with it.

raimius · April 9, 2011, 01:17 PM

That would be Utah, then.

billinmiss · April 9, 2011, 11:11 PM

H.B. 506 passed by legislature and signed by governor back in March removes all no-carry zones except law enforcement stations and prisons, if one is willing to take gun training.

As of now, no training required.

February 6, 2011, 12:49 PM	#1
Sefner Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 769	New Rash of Campus Carry Legislation With the recent election, currently 8 (actually now 7, see Virginia) states are considering campus carry legislation. Also why is it that almost every news article about a piece of legislation does not cite a bill number? Isn't that a kind of, you know, basic source that should be included? Texas: http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133466...es?ft=1&f=1001 (Couldn't find a bill number) Michigan: http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?se...cal&id=7920403 (Senate Bill 0058 and House Bill 4009) Oklahoma: http://www.necn.com/01/25/11/Okla-se...7d15ae9a5332b0 (Senate Bill 585) Mississippi: couldn't find an article... (Senate Bill 2469) Virginia: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...20891/&h=65b52 (This bill failed in the Senate) Utah: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politic...earms.html.csp (couldn't find a bill number someone help me out here) Arizona: http://thedailycougar.com/2011/02/01/guns-campus/ (Found a few numbers here, SB 1201 for faculty only, HB 2014 and HB 2479 for faculty and students, and House Bill 2001) Nebraska: http://www.care2.com/causes/educatio...aska-solution/ (No bill number, and this is for K-12) If anyone has any more information post it here and I'll update OP. I, for one, thought this issue would be fought in the courts but it looks like the first battles will be fought in the state legislatures and we are 0-1 so far. __________________ gtalk:renfes steamID: Sefner Last edited by Sefner; February 6, 2011 at 12:54 PM.

February 27, 2011, 05:14 PM	#4
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	Utah: I believe it's HB 75 (now HB 75S01) that's being referred to in the article and the text can be found here: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0075S01.htm Carry in public schools and on public school property, as allowed by the federal GFSZA, has been legal for some years. Some universities/colleges have chosen to interpret Utah's law to mean that the firearm must be concealed, although the law doesn't specify that. HB 75S01 will clarify that the law also allows open carry in the same manner that concealed carry is allowed. Note that the proposed law has already been amended and is subject to further amendments in the legislative process, often to the point that it bears no resemblance to the original bill and it ends up being dropped. __________________ Don http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/

February 28, 2011, 10:12 AM	#6
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I think there are other versions of the TX bill, but I can't look now. I might have this wrong (not surprising) but 86 also compelled private school carry and the one actual up only allows public campuses. Might be wrong on that! But I know that's an issue. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

February 28, 2011, 04:38 PM	#7
Sefner Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 769	Thanks guys! Not letting me edit OP, edit button is not there... is there an edit lock after a certain time or something? __________________ gtalk:renfes steamID: Sefner

February 28, 2011, 05:21 PM	#8
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	Sefner, I believe there's a 3 or 4 day window in which one can edit a post. __________________ Don http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/

February 27, 2011, 10:57 AM	#2
lunchbox Member Join Date: March 16, 2008 Posts: 62	I dont get on to check much. Im glad to see so many other states are doing the same as Texas is. Is there a way updates on this thread can be sent to my email? I can get my email by phone

February 27, 2011, 10:59 AM	#3
lunchbox Member Join Date: March 16, 2008 Posts: 62	file 13 that request I found it thanks.

February 27, 2011, 09:59 PM	#5
SVO Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 728	Texas is HB 86, filed by Rep. Simpson.

February 28, 2011, 05:35 PM	#9
SVO Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 728	@ Glen - Scrolling thru the House bills, that was the only one that I saw, but not to say that I didn't overlook one. Also, I didn't think to check the Senate bill list. But did see lots of what appeared to be non-gun foolishness in the House.

March 2, 2011, 10:24 AM	#10
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	The TX chl forum seems to have rumblings that the parking lot bill may get submerged in committee again. That's what happened the last time. Somehow big business interests always get to those progun legislators. Hmm! Hope I'm wrong in my cynical view. They've been contacted and say the right things but you know bills about banning tanning salons are more important. Coyote Perry managed to get other crap on the emergency train - not gun stuff, but he supports it. Hmm! __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 2, 2011, 01:34 PM	#11
TexasFats Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 130	The Texas CHL Forum reported that the Texas Parking Lot bill was reported out yesterday with a "Do Pass" recommendation. What is interesting is that Rodney Ellis voted for it. He can usually be counted on to oppose anything that helps gun owners. __________________ Gun laws are designed to extend and solidify the power of an elite over a peasantry. Sauron lives, and his orc minions are on the march.

March 2, 2011, 01:51 PM	#12
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Oh, good. The last I saw was from Cotton that we should all call as it might be stalled. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 4, 2011, 10:31 AM	#13
Sefner Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 769	Tom Gresham did a bonus podcast on this issue and makes one of the best arguments I've heard on this issue: http://traffic.libsyn.com/guntalk/Ca...ry_Podcast.mp3 His points are that it's not about students carrying (even thought students carry everywhere else in college towns with no incident), it's about adults carrying. He also says that colleges are usually State-owned land, why are we not allowed to carry on State-owned land? Definitely worth a listen to anyone concerned about this issue. __________________ gtalk:renfes steamID: Sefner

March 21, 2011, 01:20 PM	#14
ang4me Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 105	Being a grad student in a major [read: crime infested!] metro area SUCKS. Here's hoping some of this stuff passes and my home state will eventually get on board with it.

March 22, 2011, 01:54 PM	#15
WeedWacker Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2006 Location: Body: Clarkston, Washington. Soul: LaCrosse, Wisconsin Posts: 1,591	Idaho has a bill headed to the Senate. __________________ - Jon Disequilibrium facilitates accommodation. 9mm vs .45 ACP? The answer is .429

March 22, 2011, 02:41 PM	#16
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Utah's bill number is: House Bill 75, 1st Substitute. (HB 75 Substitute, or HB75S01) As mentioned by Don H, the amendment process in Utah is rather frustrating. It is extremely easy to get "Poison Pill" amendments added to a bill before a vote. Although HB 75 passed and was signed by the governor on March 22, it almost failed. Several amendments were so poorly written, they essentially recreated the entire reason for introducing the bill - ambiguous, unclear definitions. Two amendments nearly passed, that would have held a person legally in possession of a firearm responsible for all actions, injuries, and costs incurred, should the school have gone into lockdown. (Even if it was an inappropriate 911 call, made by a trouble-making student, attempting to create a panic.) Last minute changes made the bill acceptable, but it's still not as "gun friendly" as many had hoped. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

March 23, 2011, 02:40 PM	#17
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Here's a nice article from U of Texas, Arlington on campus carry. http://www.theshorthorn.com/index.ph...-wont-hurt-you Of course, the nervous nellies won't change their mind. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 23, 2011, 05:48 PM	#18
FTG-05 Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 1999 Location: TN Posts: 301	Excellent news.

March 23, 2011, 07:50 PM	#19
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	That article from "The Shorthorn" was truly excellent. __________________ "The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on"

March 25, 2011, 10:39 PM	#20
Mutatio Nomenis Junior member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 167	Damn, I was hoping I'd be able to take my gun with me to college. I've had to explain to my parents that it's not to facilitate murder or coercion; it's there in case if something like a V-Tech attempt goes down. I'm not looking to be a hero, but I'd rather have a gun over knowledge that the Police will be here and resolve this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre Get this: "Emergency services response Police took nearly six minutes to enter the barricaded building. When they could not break the chains, an officer shot out a deadbolt lock leading into a laboratory; they then moved to a nearby stairwell.[11] As police reached the second floor, they heard Cho fire his final shot." It's been going on for two hours, thirty undeserving people are dead, and the Police didn't even do anything! I'm normally a nice, non-confrontational guy, but I'm not the sort to roll over and let myself be slain without a fight Going over it, I believe that if even only one or two students in either of the buildings had guns and ammo, they wouldn't have hesitated to put a stop to it. Nice going, gun-free zones; you made it into a personal safety-free zone. Last edited by Mutatio Nomenis; March 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM.

April 8, 2011, 08:37 AM	#21
pvt.Long Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Posts: 433	Now that the law will pass. I'm personally excited about it. I really don't feel safe in one of the only places I cannot carry. My class has had this heated discussion over and over again. Most of what was said, was sadly outrageous and misinformed.Whats everyones thoughts on this?

April 8, 2011, 09:01 AM	#22
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Doesn't look good in TX right now - a reply of past years. Lots o' support and then committee tricks to kill it. This time with a primarily gun favoring legislature and Coyote Killin' Perry. So I guess if you buy a signed Coyote Killin' Special LCP you can't take it to school or keep it in the parking lot. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

April 8, 2011, 02:13 PM	#23
Yellowfin Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2007 Location: Lancaster Co, PA Posts: 2,311	Someone's gotta clear the hurdle here so when the wife and I have kids in the next few years we can pick a pro-campus carry state we can choose their 529 plan and get started with it. __________________ Students for Concealed Carry on Campus http://www.concealedcampus.org "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws--that's insane!" - Penn Jillette

April 9, 2011, 01:17 PM	#24
raimius Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2008 Posts: 2,199	That would be Utah, then.

April 9, 2011, 11:11 PM	#25
billinmiss Member Join Date: July 26, 2010 Location: sw miss Posts: 29	H.B. 506 passed by legislature and signed by governor back in March removes all no-carry zones except law enforcement stations and prisons, if one is willing to take gun training. As of now, no training required.