Does anyone else get the heebies jeebies at a car wash? - Page 2

Bob Freddy · January 31, 2005, 11:21 PM

I was just think about that the last time I was using the vacuum at the car wash. Here I am with my back to everyone , can't here if someone is approaching or anything. I would agree that you are quite vulnerable at the car wash.

I believe there was a rapist some years back that would hang outside the carwash at a gas station. It is the kind where the doors come down automaticallly after you pull in. He would slide in after the car before the door came all the way down. Then he had them locked in there for 5 minutes or so and no one could hear any screams over the carwash running. If I remeber correctly they did end up catching him.

Bob

FrankDrebin · February 1, 2005, 07:13 AM

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Does anyone else get the heebies jeebies at a car wash?

My 2 year-old does...She thinks the giant, spinning bristles are the baleen on a whale and she's about to be swallowed with a big gulp of water before it's strained out and she's eaten.

106RR · February 2, 2005, 03:50 AM

The local self serve now has two or three homeless guys who try to wash cars for a fee. They look like parolees to me, or someone who has absconded parole. The risk factor is much higher than the old days. On weekends it is full of people playing loud rap music.
I go to a Vietnamese place a couple of miles away. They are fast, efficient friendly and cheap, but have a slight language problem.

haskell · February 2, 2005, 11:25 AM

I get them when it cost me $8 in quarters to wash the car, and when I read the thread from a guy who is afraid his house will be under attack when he comes home, and wants to know what sniper rifle he should keep in the trunk for such occasions.

pepsquad · February 2, 2005, 02:15 PM

I go to self serves in the day time when i figure out it's been a year since i washed my car. i try not to be overly paranoid about such situations or else i wouldn't sleep at night.

LSUBOY · February 7, 2005, 10:34 PM

Eye only go to car washes in tha day and always carry my cocked and locked gold cup in my pants. When anyone approaches me I put my left palm up and tell them that "eye don't wanna hear it".

Any continued move by them towards me constitutes the time in which eye pull my pistol. End of story!

tokarevman · February 8, 2005, 07:39 AM

LSUBOY you are kinda mean, what if its a hot looking girl or just a nice feller who wants to ask you a question about your car becaus he has one just like it, an of duty officer coming to tell you the change machine is broke, or many difernt things that dont have to do with an attack. I always give someone a chance before i start waving my gun around.

RedPhnx · February 8, 2005, 03:59 PM

Na, I dont get paranoid about being attacked at one, but after last deer season I was afraid I would get arrested for murder, im at the car wash around 3 am washing blood out of the bed of my truck, lol that seems kinda suspicious, I swear officer its deer blood.

guntotin_fool · February 8, 2005, 05:09 PM

Red Several years ago after a successful weekend of deer hunting we were driving home and we kept getting the finger from people, hard stares or looks of outright horror. We had no idea what was going on, as we got closer to home we noticed the snow was melting on the side of the roadbut we paid it no mind. Upon pullling into my brother's drive way we finally realized what was up...He had an older Jeep Waggoneer and we had put a set of roof racks on it and a plywood box about a foot tall to hold the deer and keep the road crap from covering them on the way home. Before we had left we had packed the chest cavities with snow to make sure the deer stayed cold on the way home but as the snow on the side of the road was melting, so was the snow inside the deer...and running out while now mixed with the now thawed blood to completely cover the entire tail gate of the Jeep, both rear fenders and who ever was following us. It really looked like we had slaughtered the der right there on top of the car. It was everywhere. So we pulled the three deer off the car and hung them up in the garage and started skinning. A couple of hours later we had the deer skun out and the truck unpacked and my brother hauls out a hose and hooks it to the hot tap he had in the garage and starts to wash off his car.
By now it is back to below freezing and and it takes some work to get the blood off and the car clean enough to drive to work the next day. So once it is done we retire inside for a beverage or two. When I walked out to get into my truck to drive home....I slid all the way down the drive way which was now a perfect sheet of ice. It took many pounds of salt to get that driveway clear enough to get a car back into the garage.

And Speaking of washing the car, I sit in the porch swing and yell at my kids that if they want to drive any of the cars in the nest month they better get that spot off the fender. The only thing I fear there is that I will run out of beer.

Gunmann · February 21, 2005, 05:06 PM

Read a story of a couple in the carwash. It was in the Texas Conceled Carry Book published in the mid nineties. It was dusk and the girlfriend hid in the back on the floor while she heard her boyfriend argue with a guy who first came over for asking for change. They were coming back from the range. He looked suspicious so the boyfriend told the girl to hide and he took out his gun. The boyfriend had a 38 revolver on him and she heard him tell the assailent to stop. A little while latershe heard he boyfriend begging the guy not to shoot him. The assailent shot and killed the boyfriend. Police think the boyfriend let him too close and he grabbed the cylinder of the 38 making it inert while he blew the boyfriend away with his gun. This actually happened in a Louisiana self serve car wash. Oh yeah they never caught the guy so he's still out there. An instructor showed us how easy it is to do. Once you are within 21 feet of an assailent with a gun or a knife you got trouble.

Yup carwashes make my skin crawl. Never forgot this. Never let someone within grabbing distance of your gun. Stop means stop. I've seen guys in training that could disarm you with an automatic too. I've seen SIGS and Baretta's fieldstipped in 1/2 a second while the guy still held the frame!!! Jackie Chan even does it in the movies.

Learn defensive tactics. Better off be careful out there!!!!!

abelew · February 21, 2005, 06:42 PM

The problem with berettas was solved by the waw enforcement community by having a set screw installed by a compotent gunsmith where the little take down lever rotated, so that tis rotation was blocked by the screw sticking up. I don't know about sigs though

9mmsnoopy · February 21, 2005, 09:02 PM

wow i never thought of a car wash as a potentailly dangerous place. makes sense though. but with the frequency that i wash my truck, its not likely to happen to me

38splfan · February 21, 2005, 09:51 PM

In my hometown (Dyersburg, TN), the carwash is a hangout for local gangs, druggies, and the homeless.
It is not unlikely to see 15 to 20 people and only one car. And that one car is just as likely to be a black and white as anything else

Here in Washington, especially Tacoma, overpopulation is a huge problem. Most of the carwashes end up near crappy apartments or lousy neighborhoods.

I don't mind the one on post as much, but still don't like it. I prefer washing at home or doing a drive-thru when I can.

joab · February 21, 2005, 10:28 PM

Think about it

You are in a semi enclosed space

Easy to be cornered in

Easy to be blocked from public view by somebody doing something as simple and unalrming to others as parking a car at each end

You are forced into a killing zone about 2 feet wide

Difficult to defend yourself from a simutaneous frontal and rear attack

Jungle Work · February 22, 2005, 08:23 PM

Kenneth Allen McDuff, a well known Texas Serial Killer was paroled from DEATH ROW in Texas, went out and did some other murders and was sent back to Death Row and Texecuted in 1998. KAM like to snatch girls from car washes and convience stores.

I'm very leary at the car wash at night or when the gang bangers are cleaning their low riders. But I'm such a nice guy, I'm sure no one would want to hurt me.

Jungle Work

froader · February 23, 2005, 06:59 PM

4 words to be safe at the car wash: "Intersecting Fields of Fire"

1/2 hour before going to the car wash I have 2 snipers pre-position themselves on nearby rooftops with .50 caliber sniper rifles and night scopes (and the anti's say there's no use for .50 caliber rifles!). I also make sure that the snipers are not favored family members or close friends, because if the SHTF they MUST be expendable!

Next I send in the recon team with a radio controlled "decoy" vehicle to see if it flushes out any Bad Guys. If not, the rest of the squad arrives, throwing "flash bang" grenades in any concealment spots and securing a perimeter.

Once the area is clear, I pull in my dirty vehicle and begin the washing process while the rest of the team lays down suppression fire (if necessary). If the WZ (Wash Zone) heats up too much, I'll skip the 2nd rinse after the hot wax and bug out.

Hopefully my wife will complete her pilot training soon. Don't konw about y'all -- but I feel pretty much NAKED if I can't call in air cover.

So to me car washes are safe enough as long as you have proper backup and don't try going in less than squad strength.

But seriously ... I konw what you're all saying. Given the weird hours I have sometimes worked and my hatred for waiting in line, I don't know how many times I've pulled in to a carwash at 2:00 a.m. and been the only person there washing my car. And all before I even had the option for a CCW.

Going to the car wash is like any of the other iffy places, like when I'm walking with my wife to the car in downtown Denver late at night, or waiting for a bus after dark, or just walking through a dark parking lot with no one around.

Don't put your blinders on, check the area out before exiting the car, and don't be afraid to react to a potential encounter. And if you happen to have a high-cap automatic, so much the better!

Malamute · February 28, 2005, 10:15 PM

Maybe I live in the wrong part of the country. I've never heard of anyone having trouble at a car wash around here. Come to think of it, I've not heard of anyone in this area being mugged, carjacked or raped in 15 years either. Maybe everyone is paranoid around here too, since about everyone I know has guns around full time.

Heard of one (1) armed robbery about 5 or 10 years ago, some morons robbed a Mcdonalds, but didn't figure out how they were going to get out of the Big horn Basin. Not all that many roads out. They got caught pretty quickly. Hard to blend in in a sparsely populated area. If you're an outsider, you sort of stick out, if you're a local, there's always someone around that knows you by sight.

Now Billings, that's another story, but 90 miles can make a real difference. Lot of people carriy there too. Haven't heard of much in the way of muggings or the like, seems to be mostly robberies by lowlifes of casinos or gas stations.

Lawyer Daggit · May 12, 2005, 02:44 AM

Definitely risky at night. Lots of cover and sharp angles, low number of people concentrating on cleaning cars...

Multi-G · May 12, 2005, 06:49 AM

This is not an option all the time, however I usually take someone with me when I use the coin op. Someone else becomes the lookout so to speak. I usually take the other half, but sometimes I grab a buddy and we do some running around while we are out.

perception · May 12, 2005, 11:37 AM

One of my buddies had a sketchy guy come up to him at a car wash. The guy asked him for money, and my friend gave him a couple of bucks. The guy then went away and some other people that were kind of freaked up came up and asked what the guy wanted. Apparently he had a gun tucked away mexican style. Nothing happened, but it was still kind of freaky for him.

dasmi · May 12, 2005, 11:39 AM

Speaking of car washes, I had a dog approach me while I was in one washing my truck a few days ago. It just sauntered up and started growling, so I gave it a face full of high-pressure soapy water. Never came back

PythonGuy · May 12, 2005, 12:57 PM

I'm with you on this Malamute,

Some of you must still live in Dodge City for cripes sake

, I travel all over NY including Manhattan and have never felt compelled to be armed. Sure if you go looking for trouble you'll find it in any town, I mean, who washes their car at 3am in a seedy part of town? The right to carry a gun shouldn't mean the right to go and look for trouble either. In my state the gun carry laws may let you pull a gun if you believe your life is in danger, but it doesn't say you have to pull the trigger either if the attacker stops and backs off. This is where good judgement comes in and the responsible gun owner knows when the threat is stopped to, himself backoff. Its NOT his job to be judge, jury and executioner. I see quite a blurred line by some on these forums about what carrying a gun means.

DAVID NANCARROW · May 12, 2005, 01:14 PM

Does that mean that people who live/work on the seedy side of town never wash their cars, or run like sheep to the other side of town?

PythonGuy · May 12, 2005, 01:22 PM

Does that mean that people who live/work on the seedy side of town all have to carry guns? Here's an idea, move. There is a difference between carrying a gun for protection, and looking for trouble just because you carry. One guy writes he's worried the cops saw his gun while he was vacuuming the car, vacuum unarmed! What is a dust bunnie gonna attack you? I don't need to carry a gun to wash my car, no, nope, never. You take yor gun into the can too? What are you Tony Soprano?

DAVID NANCARROW · May 12, 2005, 02:06 PM

Pythonguy-hope you are never attacked in your "safe haven" and only work in "safe" areas for your entire life.

The whole idea with carrying a firearm is "just in case".
If most of us knew there would be trouble at a particular area, we would wisely choose not to show up.

BTW, start a thread here and ask the members who has ever been in a threatening situation in a "safe" part of town?

Truth is, "safe" does not exist.

That you can sit back in the town of "Perfect" and judge everyone else is an indication that you have yet to have it happen to yourself or those you care about.
When it does, you will not be so quick to condemn the action of others for taking the responsibility for their own defense. Some folks do not have the wherewithall to live in "Perfect", be they college students or whatever their situation might be.

February 2, 2005, 03:50 AM	#28
106RR Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2002 Posts: 234	Car wash The local self serve now has two or three homeless guys who try to wash cars for a fee. They look like parolees to me, or someone who has absconded parole. The risk factor is much higher than the old days. On weekends it is full of people playing loud rap music. I go to a Vietnamese place a couple of miles away. They are fast, efficient friendly and cheap, but have a slight language problem.

February 2, 2005, 11:25 AM	#29
haskell Member Join Date: October 14, 2004 Location: Ma Posts: 64	heebie jeebies I get them when it cost me $8 in quarters to wash the car, and when I read the thread from a guy who is afraid his house will be under attack when he comes home, and wants to know what sniper rifle he should keep in the trunk for such occasions.

February 2, 2005, 02:15 PM	#30
pepsquad Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2004 Posts: 108	haskell i must agree I go to self serves in the day time when i figure out it's been a year since i washed my car. i try not to be overly paranoid about such situations or else i wouldn't sleep at night.

February 8, 2005, 07:39 AM	#32
tokarevman Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Posts: 167	LSUBOY you are kinda mean, what if its a hot looking girl or just a nice feller who wants to ask you a question about your car becaus he has one just like it, an of duty officer coming to tell you the change machine is broke, or many difernt things that dont have to do with an attack. I always give someone a chance before i start waving my gun around. __________________ I cant spell

February 21, 2005, 05:06 PM	#35
Gunmann Member Join Date: February 6, 2005 Posts: 54	Car Washes Should Make Your Skin Crawl!!!! Read a story of a couple in the carwash. It was in the Texas Conceled Carry Book published in the mid nineties. It was dusk and the girlfriend hid in the back on the floor while she heard her boyfriend argue with a guy who first came over for asking for change. They were coming back from the range. He looked suspicious so the boyfriend told the girl to hide and he took out his gun. The boyfriend had a 38 revolver on him and she heard him tell the assailent to stop. A little while latershe heard he boyfriend begging the guy not to shoot him. The assailent shot and killed the boyfriend. Police think the boyfriend let him too close and he grabbed the cylinder of the 38 making it inert while he blew the boyfriend away with his gun. This actually happened in a Louisiana self serve car wash. Oh yeah they never caught the guy so he's still out there. An instructor showed us how easy it is to do. Once you are within 21 feet of an assailent with a gun or a knife you got trouble. Yup carwashes make my skin crawl. Never forgot this. Never let someone within grabbing distance of your gun. Stop means stop. I've seen guys in training that could disarm you with an automatic too. I've seen SIGS and Baretta's fieldstipped in 1/2 a second while the guy still held the frame!!! Jackie Chan even does it in the movies. Learn defensive tactics. Better off be careful out there!!!!!

January 31, 2005, 11:21 PM	#26
Bob Freddy Member Join Date: June 26, 2004 Location: Far SS Chicago Posts: 84	I was just think about that the last time I was using the vacuum at the car wash. Here I am with my back to everyone , can't here if someone is approaching or anything. I would agree that you are quite vulnerable at the car wash. I believe there was a rapist some years back that would hang outside the carwash at a gas station. It is the kind where the doors come down automaticallly after you pull in. He would slide in after the car before the door came all the way down. Then he had them locked in there for 5 minutes or so and no one could hear any screams over the carwash running. If I remeber correctly they did end up catching him. Bob

February 7, 2005, 10:34 PM	#31
LSUBOY Member Join Date: November 27, 2004 Posts: 36	Eye only go to car washes in tha day and always carry my cocked and locked gold cup in my pants. When anyone approaches me I put my left palm up and tell them that "eye don't wanna hear it". Any continued move by them towards me constitutes the time in which eye pull my pistol. End of story!

February 8, 2005, 03:59 PM	#33
RedPhnx Member Join Date: February 5, 2005 Location: Granite City, IL Posts: 86	Na, I dont get paranoid about being attacked at one, but after last deer season I was afraid I would get arrested for murder, im at the car wash around 3 am washing blood out of the bed of my truck, lol that seems kinda suspicious, I swear officer its deer blood.

February 8, 2005, 05:09 PM	#34
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2004 Posts: 1,446	Red Several years ago after a successful weekend of deer hunting we were driving home and we kept getting the finger from people, hard stares or looks of outright horror. We had no idea what was going on, as we got closer to home we noticed the snow was melting on the side of the roadbut we paid it no mind. Upon pullling into my brother's drive way we finally realized what was up...He had an older Jeep Waggoneer and we had put a set of roof racks on it and a plywood box about a foot tall to hold the deer and keep the road crap from covering them on the way home. Before we had left we had packed the chest cavities with snow to make sure the deer stayed cold on the way home but as the snow on the side of the road was melting, so was the snow inside the deer...and running out while now mixed with the now thawed blood to completely cover the entire tail gate of the Jeep, both rear fenders and who ever was following us. It really looked like we had slaughtered the der right there on top of the car. It was everywhere. So we pulled the three deer off the car and hung them up in the garage and started skinning. A couple of hours later we had the deer skun out and the truck unpacked and my brother hauls out a hose and hooks it to the hot tap he had in the garage and starts to wash off his car. By now it is back to below freezing and and it takes some work to get the blood off and the car clean enough to drive to work the next day. So once it is done we retire inside for a beverage or two. When I walked out to get into my truck to drive home....I slid all the way down the drive way which was now a perfect sheet of ice. It took many pounds of salt to get that driveway clear enough to get a car back into the garage. And Speaking of washing the car, I sit in the porch swing and yell at my kids that if they want to drive any of the cars in the nest month they better get that spot off the fender. The only thing I fear there is that I will run out of beer.

February 21, 2005, 06:42 PM	#36
abelew Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 778	The problem with berettas was solved by the waw enforcement community by having a set screw installed by a compotent gunsmith where the little take down lever rotated, so that tis rotation was blocked by the screw sticking up. I don't know about sigs though __________________ "Where the choice is between only violence and cowardice, I would advise violence." ~ Mohatma Gandhi

February 21, 2005, 09:02 PM	#37
9mmsnoopy Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Thrillsville ,Tx Posts: 904	wow i never thought of a car wash as a potentailly dangerous place. makes sense though. but with the frequency that i wash my truck, its not likely to happen to me __________________ beretta cx4 storm .40 caliber sig P290 Kahr PM9 Glock 26 Bushmaster AR15

February 21, 2005, 09:51 PM	#38
38splfan Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2004 Location: Ft. Lewis/Tacoma, WA. Posts: 1,034	Hometown. In my hometown (Dyersburg, TN), the carwash is a hangout for local gangs, druggies, and the homeless. It is not unlikely to see 15 to 20 people and only one car. And that one car is just as likely to be a black and white as anything else Here in Washington, especially Tacoma, overpopulation is a huge problem. Most of the carwashes end up near crappy apartments or lousy neighborhoods. I don't mind the one on post as much, but still don't like it. I prefer washing at home or doing a drive-thru when I can. __________________ "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to others and I expect the same from them." - John Wayne

February 21, 2005, 10:28 PM	#39
joab Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Orl Fla Posts: 3,254	Think about it You are in a semi enclosed space Easy to be cornered in Easy to be blocked from public view by somebody doing something as simple and unalrming to others as parking a car at each end You are forced into a killing zone about 2 feet wide Difficult to defend yourself from a simutaneous frontal and rear attack __________________ Joab the Bugman Founding member- Lords of Pomposity It's a Yankee Doodle thing

February 22, 2005, 08:23 PM	#40
Jungle Work Junior member Join Date: January 31, 2005 Location: 20 Miles from Water, 2 Miles from Hell Posts: 282	Kenneth Allen McDuff, a well known Texas Serial Killer was paroled from DEATH ROW in Texas, went out and did some other murders and was sent back to Death Row and Texecuted in 1998. KAM like to snatch girls from car washes and convience stores. I'm very leary at the car wash at night or when the gang bangers are cleaning their low riders. But I'm such a nice guy, I'm sure no one would want to hurt me. Jungle Work

February 23, 2005, 06:59 PM	#41
froader Member Join Date: February 14, 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 29	4 words to be safe at the car wash: "Intersecting Fields of Fire" 1/2 hour before going to the car wash I have 2 snipers pre-position themselves on nearby rooftops with .50 caliber sniper rifles and night scopes (and the anti's say there's no use for .50 caliber rifles!). I also make sure that the snipers are not favored family members or close friends, because if the SHTF they MUST be expendable! Next I send in the recon team with a radio controlled "decoy" vehicle to see if it flushes out any Bad Guys. If not, the rest of the squad arrives, throwing "flash bang" grenades in any concealment spots and securing a perimeter. Once the area is clear, I pull in my dirty vehicle and begin the washing process while the rest of the team lays down suppression fire (if necessary). If the WZ (Wash Zone) heats up too much, I'll skip the 2nd rinse after the hot wax and bug out. Hopefully my wife will complete her pilot training soon. Don't konw about y'all -- but I feel pretty much NAKED if I can't call in air cover. So to me car washes are safe enough as long as you have proper backup and don't try going in less than squad strength. But seriously ... I konw what you're all saying. Given the weird hours I have sometimes worked and my hatred for waiting in line, I don't know how many times I've pulled in to a carwash at 2:00 a.m. and been the only person there washing my car. And all before I even had the option for a CCW. Going to the car wash is like any of the other iffy places, like when I'm walking with my wife to the car in downtown Denver late at night, or waiting for a bus after dark, or just walking through a dark parking lot with no one around. Don't put your blinders on, check the area out before exiting the car, and don't be afraid to react to a potential encounter. And if you happen to have a high-cap automatic, so much the better! __________________ "He who is free, but cannot defend that freedom, is not truly free, but merely lucky." "Every man is king within the reach of his own sword."

February 28, 2005, 10:15 PM	#42
Malamute Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2004 Location: Rocky Mts Posts: 859	Maybe I live in the wrong part of the country. I've never heard of anyone having trouble at a car wash around here. Come to think of it, I've not heard of anyone in this area being mugged, carjacked or raped in 15 years either. Maybe everyone is paranoid around here too, since about everyone I know has guns around full time. Heard of one (1) armed robbery about 5 or 10 years ago, some morons robbed a Mcdonalds, but didn't figure out how they were going to get out of the Big horn Basin. Not all that many roads out. They got caught pretty quickly. Hard to blend in in a sparsely populated area. If you're an outsider, you sort of stick out, if you're a local, there's always someone around that knows you by sight. Now Billings, that's another story, but 90 miles can make a real difference. Lot of people carriy there too. Haven't heard of much in the way of muggings or the like, seems to be mostly robberies by lowlifes of casinos or gas stations.

May 12, 2005, 02:44 AM	#43
Lawyer Daggit Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Posts: 1,181	Definitely risky at night. Lots of cover and sharp angles, low number of people concentrating on cleaning cars...

May 12, 2005, 06:49 AM	#44
Multi-G Member Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 15	This is not an option all the time, however I usually take someone with me when I use the coin op. Someone else becomes the lookout so to speak. I usually take the other half, but sometimes I grab a buddy and we do some running around while we are out.

May 12, 2005, 11:37 AM	#45
perception Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 421	One of my buddies had a sketchy guy come up to him at a car wash. The guy asked him for money, and my friend gave him a couple of bucks. The guy then went away and some other people that were kind of freaked up came up and asked what the guy wanted. Apparently he had a gun tucked away mexican style. Nothing happened, but it was still kind of freaky for him.

May 12, 2005, 11:39 AM	#46
dasmi Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 882	Speaking of car washes, I had a dog approach me while I was in one washing my truck a few days ago. It just sauntered up and started growling, so I gave it a face full of high-pressure soapy water. Never came back __________________ If we look at the black record of mass murder, exploitation, and tyranny levied on society by governments over the ages, we need not be loath to abandon the Leviathan State and ... try freedom. --Murray Rothbard, For a New Liberty

May 12, 2005, 12:57 PM	#47
PythonGuy Junior member Join Date: November 4, 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 456	I'm with you on this Malamute, Some of you must still live in Dodge City for cripes sake , I travel all over NY including Manhattan and have never felt compelled to be armed. Sure if you go looking for trouble you'll find it in any town, I mean, who washes their car at 3am in a seedy part of town? The right to carry a gun shouldn't mean the right to go and look for trouble either. In my state the gun carry laws may let you pull a gun if you believe your life is in danger, but it doesn't say you have to pull the trigger either if the attacker stops and backs off. This is where good judgement comes in and the responsible gun owner knows when the threat is stopped to, himself backoff. Its NOT his job to be judge, jury and executioner. I see quite a blurred line by some on these forums about what carrying a gun means.

May 12, 2005, 01:14 PM	#48
DAVID NANCARROW Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,761	Does that mean that people who live/work on the seedy side of town never wash their cars, or run like sheep to the other side of town?

May 12, 2005, 01:22 PM	#49
PythonGuy Junior member Join Date: November 4, 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 456	Does that mean that people who live/work on the seedy side of town all have to carry guns? Here's an idea, move. There is a difference between carrying a gun for protection, and looking for trouble just because you carry. One guy writes he's worried the cops saw his gun while he was vacuuming the car, vacuum unarmed! What is a dust bunnie gonna attack you? I don't need to carry a gun to wash my car, no, nope, never. You take yor gun into the can too? What are you Tony Soprano?

May 12, 2005, 02:06 PM	#50
DAVID NANCARROW Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,761	Pythonguy-hope you are never attacked in your "safe haven" and only work in "safe" areas for your entire life. The whole idea with carrying a firearm is "just in case". If most of us knew there would be trouble at a particular area, we would wisely choose not to show up. BTW, start a thread here and ask the members who has ever been in a threatening situation in a "safe" part of town? Truth is, "safe" does not exist. That you can sit back in the town of "Perfect" and judge everyone else is an indication that you have yet to have it happen to yourself or those you care about. When it does, you will not be so quick to condemn the action of others for taking the responsibility for their own defense. Some folks do not have the wherewithall to live in "Perfect", be they college students or whatever their situation might be.