45 lc reloading

kameron454ci · February 10, 2011, 08:01 PM

hey guys i got to shoot my 58 with the kirst konverter today and i reloaded some of my own rounds i loaded 200gr lswc on top of 5gr of red dot with regular cci primers. my question is would i be safe loading 7.1 gr of red dot? all i have is the lee dipper set so 7.1 is the next step up from 5 and the book i have does not list alot of loads for red dot. but it does have a load for 200gr swc 7.3gr red dot @ 1001fps so i should be ok with 7.1 red dot to get it under 1000fps right? sorry if this is posted in the wrong section i just figured you guys would know the most about what loads would be ok in the kirst. by the way today was the first time i have ever reloaded and i thought it was great!!! never thought you could put bullets together with a hammer

Ben Towe · February 10, 2011, 08:04 PM

With a hammer?

kameron454ci · February 10, 2011, 08:28 PM

yup i have the lee clasic hand loader

Model-P · February 10, 2011, 11:40 PM

Are the conversions good for smokeless? (shows how much I know)

I have found the Lee dipper figures to be very conservative. Maybe the newer "cc" sets are better, but my red numbered set is way off.

No. 020 is supposed to measure 3.0 gr. Unique, but actually measures closer to 2.6 gr on the scale.

Here are some more rated vs actual using Unique:
039 5.9/4.9
052 7.8/6.5
065 9.8/8.2
069 10.4/8.8

And for IMR4895:
129 29.0/28.2
141 32.0/30.5

I'm sure it's a liability thing.

jmortimer · February 11, 2011, 02:47 AM

"No. 020 is supposed to measure 3.0 gr. Unique, but actually measures closer to 2.6 gr on the scale."
The Lee Precision dippers tend to throw light charges if you follow Richard Lee's instruction to push the dipper in bottom first and lert the powder "fall in" the dipper and then strike it off. I find if you "scoop" the dipper full and don't strike it off you get real close to the number on the chart. Not as consistent but I'm not loading max so I can live with +/- .2 grains or better.

BODAME · February 11, 2011, 09:07 AM

I would stay at 5 or drop to 4.5 for 45 Colt.
If you want to play with Hot Loads get yourself a Blackhawk. You stand a better chance to keep all your body parts with it than a Clone Gun.
My Old 2 Cents
Hagen

kameron454ci · February 11, 2011, 10:40 AM

ok then i might try a .30cc and a 50cc together to get 5.6gr Im thinking thats the max i want to go with this gun. the 5grain load had a nice kick and put a nice hole in a 55 gal drum they felt the same as the box of cowbaoy loads i got from buffalo arms

zippy13 · February 11, 2011, 11:15 AM

That dipper (Lee #1) with RedDot is going to give you a hot load in a .45 LC converter. Stay with your #0.7 dipper for RedDot.

Another option is to use 2 measures of black powder from the #1.0 dipper. That will put you right about 30-gr.

Model-P · February 11, 2011, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Another option is to use 2 measures of black powder from the #1.0 dipper. That will put you right about 30-gr.

But not with a hammer!

(JMO)

zippy13 · February 11, 2011, 07:47 PM

But not with a hammer!
(JMO)

Model-P, you're absolutely correct, I'd forgotten he was using a whack-a-matic original Lee.

Model-P · February 11, 2011, 08:50 PM

I don't know. On second thought, many of the muzzle loading guys tamp their loads pretty heavily with no problems. It's just that taking a hammer to seat a bullet on black powder seems to me that it should be iffy. I'm interested to hear what others have to say about it.

junkman_01 · February 11, 2011, 09:49 PM

You can not set off black powder by percussion i.e. a hammer.

Hawg · February 12, 2011, 07:19 AM

Quote:

You can not set off black powder by percussion i.e. a hammer.

I don't think he meant that. I'd think seating depth and powder compression would be hard to keep consistent with a hammer but I've never used one of those loaders so I dunno.

bushrod2 · February 12, 2011, 08:31 AM

If you use an adjustable powder measure for Blackpowder, and have access to a scale you can use it as an adjustable dipper of sorts. As far as loads go, get yourself a good re-loading book. Also you need to know what kind of loads those converters are capable of handleing. I always thought nothing more than Cowboy Loads! Hope this helps!

kameron454ci · February 12, 2011, 01:32 PM

yes its just for cowboy loads i was just trying to find what the strongest cowboy load with red dot is

February 10, 2011, 08:04 PM	#2
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	With a hammer? __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

February 11, 2011, 09:07 AM	#6
BODAME Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2006 Location: The Dodge House, NC Posts: 183	Reloading Clones and Old BP Guns in 45 Colt I would stay at 5 or drop to 4.5 for 45 Colt. If you want to play with Hot Loads get yourself a Blackhawk. You stand a better chance to keep all your body parts with it than a Clone Gun. My Old 2 Cents Hagen __________________ "A Man's got to have a Code, a Creed to Live By, No Matter his Job"

February 11, 2011, 07:47 PM	#10
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	But not with a hammer! (JMO) Model-P, you're absolutely correct, I'd forgotten he was using a whack-a-matic original Lee.

February 12, 2011, 08:31 AM	#14
bushrod2 Member Join Date: February 12, 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 30	If you use an adjustable powder measure for Blackpowder, and have access to a scale you can use it as an adjustable dipper of sorts. As far as loads go, get yourself a good re-loading book. Also you need to know what kind of loads those converters are capable of handleing. I always thought nothing more than Cowboy Loads! Hope this helps! __________________ To Each His Own And POUGE MAHONE!!!

February 10, 2011, 08:01 PM	#1
kameron454ci Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: Montague. MI Posts: 85	45 lc reloading hey guys i got to shoot my 58 with the kirst konverter today and i reloaded some of my own rounds i loaded 200gr lswc on top of 5gr of red dot with regular cci primers. my question is would i be safe loading 7.1 gr of red dot? all i have is the lee dipper set so 7.1 is the next step up from 5 and the book i have does not list alot of loads for red dot. but it does have a load for 200gr swc 7.3gr red dot @ 1001fps so i should be ok with 7.1 red dot to get it under 1000fps right? sorry if this is posted in the wrong section i just figured you guys would know the most about what loads would be ok in the kirst. by the way today was the first time i have ever reloaded and i thought it was great!!! never thought you could put bullets together with a hammer

February 10, 2011, 08:28 PM	#3
kameron454ci Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: Montague. MI Posts: 85	yup i have the lee clasic hand loader

February 10, 2011, 11:40 PM	#4
Model-P Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 727	Are the conversions good for smokeless? (shows how much I know) I have found the Lee dipper figures to be very conservative. Maybe the newer "cc" sets are better, but my red numbered set is way off. No. 020 is supposed to measure 3.0 gr. Unique, but actually measures closer to 2.6 gr on the scale. Here are some more rated vs actual using Unique: 039 5.9/4.9 052 7.8/6.5 065 9.8/8.2 069 10.4/8.8 And for IMR4895: 129 29.0/28.2 141 32.0/30.5 I'm sure it's a liability thing.

February 11, 2011, 02:47 AM	#5
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	"No. 020 is supposed to measure 3.0 gr. Unique, but actually measures closer to 2.6 gr on the scale." The Lee Precision dippers tend to throw light charges if you follow Richard Lee's instruction to push the dipper in bottom first and lert the powder "fall in" the dipper and then strike it off. I find if you "scoop" the dipper full and don't strike it off you get real close to the number on the chart. Not as consistent but I'm not loading max so I can live with +/- .2 grains or better.

February 11, 2011, 10:40 AM	#7
kameron454ci Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: Montague. MI Posts: 85	ok then i might try a .30cc and a 50cc together to get 5.6gr Im thinking thats the max i want to go with this gun. the 5grain load had a nice kick and put a nice hole in a 55 gal drum they felt the same as the box of cowbaoy loads i got from buffalo arms

February 11, 2011, 11:15 AM	#8
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	That dipper (Lee #1) with RedDot is going to give you a hot load in a .45 LC converter. Stay with your #0.7 dipper for RedDot. Another option is to use 2 measures of black powder from the #1.0 dipper. That will put you right about 30-gr.

February 11, 2011, 08:50 PM	#11
Model-P Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Posts: 727	I don't know. On second thought, many of the muzzle loading guys tamp their loads pretty heavily with no problems. It's just that taking a hammer to seat a bullet on black powder seems to me that it should be iffy. I'm interested to hear what others have to say about it.

February 11, 2011, 09:49 PM	#12
junkman_01 Junior member Join Date: November 9, 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 260	You can not set off black powder by percussion i.e. a hammer.

February 12, 2011, 01:32 PM	#15
kameron454ci Member Join Date: January 14, 2011 Location: Montague. MI Posts: 85	yes its just for cowboy loads i was just trying to find what the strongest cowboy load with red dot is