.22LR vs .32 ACP? - Page 3

ttarp · August 13, 2018, 03:16 PM

^Well, bigger anyway...

briandg · August 13, 2018, 03:34 PM

You guys need to watch more television. During the two world wars people died when something blew up fifty feet away. Just last month I saw chuck norris swallow a hand grenade and belch out smoke.

We aren't all chuck norris, but it's obvious from internet discussion and television that nothing short of artillery can keep a good man down now.

CDW4ME · August 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xandi

Did not the 32 acp See Action in both world wars

People learn what works, or doesn't.

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Onward Allusion Yeah, but we're tougher nowadays.

The Moros in the Philippines merited bigger bullets and that was long ago.

Cosmodragoon · August 16, 2018, 12:13 AM

There may be advantages to the .22 in certain circumstances, like if you had to scrounge up ammo in a crisis or were worried about lugging around a lot of rounds. In most cases though, I'm still gonna pick .32acp. I've shot a lot of water bottles, soda cans, apples, etc. with both of these from various pistols. The .32 just inspires a lot more confidence, in a choice between only these two.

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If you can fit a .32 in your pocket, you can fit a .380

Now this is worth considering if we aren't forced between two choices. Take it a step further though. At least for me, if I can fit a .380 in my pocket, I can usually fit an LCR. That means .38 special, .327 federal, or .357 magnum (if I feel up for a beating). Heck, they also come in .22 WMR and 9mm. All of those are arguably better options.

**44 AMP** · August 16, 2018, 12:22 AM

Lots of better options, but the question asked was between the .22 and the .32, and it seems most favor the .32 in that situation. For self defense, I would also.

For a general sport/utility pistol, .22LR, hands down.

Bill DeShivs · August 16, 2018, 02:02 PM

While some .32 autos are as big as some .380s, and some .380s are smaller than some .32s- You can't make a .380 as small as you can a .32 if the guns are minimal.
And you can't make a .32 as small as a .25.

Minimal .380s are unpleasant to shoot, and can malfunction easily from a loose grip.

Model12Win · August 16, 2018, 02:10 PM

Too bad the .45s that were issued did nothing to improve the situation.

Look it up.

HighValleyRanch · August 16, 2018, 02:46 PM

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You can't make a .380 as small as you can a .32 if the guns are minimal.

The Seecamp .380 is exactly the same size as the .32acp Seecamp. How they did it is amazing! And the Seecamp is about as minimal as you can go.

JN01 · August 16, 2018, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

And you can't make a .32 as small as a .25.

Actually, I have a NAA .32 Guardian that is a hair smaller than my Beretta 950BS, so there are exceptions. It does recoil a bit more.

reteach · August 16, 2018, 03:25 PM

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You guys need to watch more television.

I guess we need to be reminded from time to time that the "7.65 mil [has] a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU98uP7pXA8

HighValleyRanch · August 16, 2018, 03:49 PM

I'll need a suit now to carry my new Sig 232!

GunXpatriot · August 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

.32 ACP beyond a shadow of a doubt.

It's basically a .22lr, fired from a rifle, with the added benefit of being a larger caliber bullet. It'd be the bare minimum if you had a choice, in my opinion.

Bill DeShivs · August 17, 2018, 12:25 AM

I figured my remark would be over some of your heads...
I said if the guns are minimal.
Show me a .32 or a .380 that is the same size as a Browning .25.

As far as an NAA Guardian being smaller than a 950- it's certainly not thinner, and it weighs about twice as much as the 950.

JN01 · August 17, 2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

You can't make a .380 as small as you can a .32 if the guns are minimal.
And you can't make a .32 as small as a .25.

To be nit-picky, you compared minimal .380 to .32, you didn't say anything about minimal .25s, though that may be what you meant. And you are correct that the Baby Browning is certainly smaller than any .32.

However, the Beretta 950 is on the smaller end of the .25 spectrum, and the Guardian is a bit smaller but a bit heavier:

Length/ Height/ Grip width/ Slide Width/ Weight

NAA 4.4"/ 3.3"/ .877"/ .795"/ 13.9 oz

950 4.7"/ 3.4"/ .97"/ .774"/ 9.8 oz

Both are pretty dang small. The Guardian has a marginally better cartridge and can be carried without a manual safety applied, the Beretta is easier to shoot with its SA trigger and minimal recoil.

JMag1 · August 17, 2018, 04:36 PM

A baby Browning .25 weighs 9.5 oz. A Kel-Tec P32 weighs only 6.6 oz. I’ll take the .32 over the .25 or a .22 handgun every time.

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GunXpatriot · August 17, 2018, 05:14 PM

Agreed, JMag1. Though if I already had the .25, that might be a compelling reason. But for someone to go and buy a .25 or .22lr pocket pistol for self-defense, knowing there are far better options in similar size, is very foolish IMO.

Now as a fun gun, things like that, sure. Because that use doesn't require any justification.

Kvon2 · August 17, 2018, 06:05 PM

I recently posted a video on caliber effectiveness in the general discussion section.

According to their data(and I'm sure there's data out there to argue otherwise) but the .32acp, .25, and .22 rimfire all fail at the same rate.

If that's the case, I'll take a .22 so I don't have to buy a .32

GunXpatriot · August 17, 2018, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kvon2

I recently posted a video on caliber effectiveness in the general discussion section.

According to their data(and I'm sure there's data out there to argue otherwise) but the .32acp, .25, and .22 rimfire all fail at the same rate.

If that's the case, I'll take a .22 so I don't have to buy a .32

I'll check it out, but I honestly kind of doubt that...

ammo.crafter · August 17, 2018, 06:39 PM

22 mag in an over/under derringer in a wallet holster.

Buckeye! · August 17, 2018, 09:09 PM

https://youtu.be/Lf-IF1emoJI
32acp over a 22LR in a small pistol

The above video shows a real deal 32acp ammo

Kvon2 · August 18, 2018, 07:50 AM

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I'll check it out, but I honestly kind of doubt that..

Its a weird thing to wrap your head around because we've always been told center fire fails less. But they seem to have SOME data to back it up.

reddog81 · August 18, 2018, 09:55 AM

Let's see... 32 ACP has a bullet that weighs about 50% more than .22 LR, the diameter is about 50% larger and the velocity is about the same. In some instances the reliability of 22 can match the reliability of the 32.

I'll agree that I wouldn't want to get shot with a .22, but given the choice between the 2 I'd choose the .32.

ChuteTheMall · August 18, 2018, 01:11 PM

Bigger is better.

At least, that's what she said.

marine6680 · August 18, 2018, 04:37 PM

Nothing below 380 for me...

But center fire is more reliable usually, but I never had issue with higher quality 22lr either.

Small 380s are readily available now.

JERRYS. · August 18, 2018, 05:01 PM

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Small 380s are readily available now.

they also hurt the hands that fire them for a lot of folks.... that's why the used market is flooded with them. some women, men and elderly or people with hand issues see a cute little gun in a "better" caliber, then shoot it and return it for something else...

View Poll Results: Which is the better defensive pocket pistol caliber?
.22LR	15	14.15%
.32 ACP	91	85.85%
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August 13, 2018, 03:34 PM	#52
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	You guys need to watch more television. During the two world wars people died when something blew up fifty feet away. Just last month I saw chuck norris swallow a hand grenade and belch out smoke. We aren't all chuck norris, but it's obvious from internet discussion and television that nothing short of artillery can keep a good man down now. __________________ None.

August 16, 2018, 12:22 AM	#55
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,817	Lots of better options, but the question asked was between the .22 and the .32, and it seems most favor the .32 in that situation. For self defense, I would also. For a general sport/utility pistol, .22LR, hands down. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

August 16, 2018, 02:02 PM	#56
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	While some .32 autos are as big as some .380s, and some .380s are smaller than some .32s- You can't make a .380 as small as you can a .32 if the guns are minimal. And you can't make a .32 as small as a .25. Minimal .380s are unpleasant to shoot, and can malfunction easily from a loose grip. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 16, 2018, 03:49 PM	#61
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,066	I'll need a suit now to carry my new Sig 232! __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

August 13, 2018, 03:16 PM	#51
ttarp Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2013 Posts: 888	^Well, bigger anyway...

August 16, 2018, 02:10 PM	#57
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Too bad the .45s that were issued did nothing to improve the situation. Look it up.

August 17, 2018, 12:16 AM	#62
GunXpatriot Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2011 Location: New York Posts: 393	.32 ACP beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's basically a .22lr, fired from a rifle, with the added benefit of being a larger caliber bullet. It'd be the bare minimum if you had a choice, in my opinion.

August 17, 2018, 12:25 AM	#63
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	I figured my remark would be over some of your heads... I said if the guns are minimal. Show me a .32 or a .380 that is the same size as a Browning .25. As far as an NAA Guardian being smaller than a 950- it's certainly not thinner, and it weighs about twice as much as the 950. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 17, 2018, 04:36 PM	#65
JMag1 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2015 Posts: 173	A baby Browning .25 weighs 9.5 oz. A Kel-Tec P32 weighs only 6.6 oz. I’ll take the .32 over the .25 or a .22 handgun every time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

August 17, 2018, 05:14 PM	#66
GunXpatriot Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2011 Location: New York Posts: 393	Agreed, JMag1. Though if I already had the .25, that might be a compelling reason. But for someone to go and buy a .25 or .22lr pocket pistol for self-defense, knowing there are far better options in similar size, is very foolish IMO. Now as a fun gun, things like that, sure. Because that use doesn't require any justification. __________________ Targets4Free, High-quality free printable shooting targets! http://targets4free.com

August 17, 2018, 06:05 PM	#67
Kvon2 Senior Member Join Date: January 4, 2016 Posts: 757	I recently posted a video on caliber effectiveness in the general discussion section. According to their data(and I'm sure there's data out there to argue otherwise) but the .32acp, .25, and .22 rimfire all fail at the same rate. If that's the case, I'll take a .22 so I don't have to buy a .32

August 17, 2018, 06:39 PM	#69
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	22-32 22 mag in an over/under derringer in a wallet holster. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

August 17, 2018, 09:09 PM	#70
Buckeye! Senior Member Join Date: September 1, 2008 Posts: 849	https://youtu.be/Lf-IF1emoJI 32acp over a 22LR in a small pistol The above video shows a real deal 32acp ammo

August 18, 2018, 09:55 AM	#72
reddog81 Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	Let's see... 32 ACP has a bullet that weighs about 50% more than .22 LR, the diameter is about 50% larger and the velocity is about the same. In some instances the reliability of 22 can match the reliability of the 32. I'll agree that I wouldn't want to get shot with a .22, but given the choice between the 2 I'd choose the .32.

August 18, 2018, 01:11 PM	#73
ChuteTheMall Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 1999 Location: Sinkholeville Swamp Posts: 228	Bigger is better. At least, that's what she said. __________________ ChuteTheMallGawdSortaMount

August 18, 2018, 04:37 PM	#74
marine6680 Senior Member Join Date: July 24, 2012 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 4,594	Nothing below 380 for me... But center fire is more reliable usually, but I never had issue with higher quality 22lr either. Small 380s are readily available now.