Schmidt-Rubin Model 1911

[RC20]

Some years back I got a deal on a K31 and the guy threw in a 1911 (sometime referred to as a G11). The 1911 mfg date is 1917. Has the matching clip.

I shot it a few times, seemed to be accurate and he said it was more accurate than the K31. My eyes were on the way to not seeing iron sights so I never did much with it.

Recently I saw that Swiss Products had a non intrusive scope mount for that 1911. Hmmm, the one for the K31 is a wonder. Proved the K31 was so so for accuracy but 1.5 inches with hand-loads and worse with GP11.

Ok, the K31 are not always as wonder accurate as portrayed, fine, its a cool gun and the scope ensures that its not me but the gun.

I had also bought the muzzle brake for the K31. It too is a high quality product that works and works well.

So, having a lot of faith in Swiss Products, I ordered the mount. As it uses the same K31 rings, I could just move the scope and rings off that gun onto the 1911.

Phew, I got a couple of 3/4 inch x 5 shot groups. I got a couple of 1 1/4 x 5 shot groups. Some of the loads moved out of the sweet spot but, wow.

Now granted, its so long that it reaches half way to the 105 yard line, but still.

Its an interesting gun and worth a look if you like the Swiss Straight pull or are interested in it. Having worked with it some, all you need is a piston and an op rod and you would have a Garand!

And no, it does not shoot GP11 all that well.

[tangolima]

The 1911 has a bushing in the handguard for the barrel to go through, so the barrel floats free. It could shoot better.

I also have a K31and a 1911. They are the swiss watch that I never can afford.

-TL

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[RC20]

I did various work on 1903 and 1917s.

Free floating or not, OEM stock or a good one, I never got any real or proven increases.

When I moved to Savage actions and custom barrels, trhen yea, that made a difference.

so I just shoot those old guns and in the case of the 1911, I just wanted to see what it could do and I could not see the Iron Sights at all well.

I can sort of shoot a 1917 at 75 yards with its good sight system. But that was a rare aspect of that gun that was ahead of its time.

If the Army was serious about accuracy they should have adopted it after WWII! Nothing wrong with the 1903 but that sight system is poor.

That straight pull SR system is quite amazing.

[tangolima]

I collect milsurp. Part of the tinkering is to make them shoot better than 2moa. Most of them can, but I don't recall any sub-moa though. 1903, 1917, k31, 1911 are among the ones that have made 2moa 10-shot.

-TL

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[RC20]

I do 5 shot groups because it makes me feel better!

Done some 10 shot groups with the 6.5 Lapua though not the CM yet.

I think this one might do a decent under 2 MOA 10 shot.

[FrankenMauser]

Sounds like some good fun.

But you fellers are all shooting the young'ns and that new-fangled GP11 stuff.

I have a sporterized 1889 (made 1892), still chambered for 7.5x53.5mm (GP90).
Very pleasant shooter. But, Bubba did a little bit of filing on the sights; which makes the sight picture very vague and I've only gotten it to shoot about as well as 6-8" at 100 yd. (5 to 10 shot groups)

[tangolima]

I handload after exhausting the first batch of g11. That gives another handle to tinker with.

6"-8" at 100yd still needs improvement. It should be quite doable. I would start with bedding the action.

-TL

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[RC20]

But you fellers are all shooting the young'ns and that new-fangled GP11 stuff.

Vast majorit8y of my shooting is hand loads.

My brother scored a brick of GP11 and sold me some. I just wanted to see how it did in the K31 and 1911 recently.

My hand loads do better by a fair amount. The 1911 is consistently more accurate than the K31. I did a bit of stock work on the K31 to make sure it was setup right per LaPierre.

But the scope adapters are the cats meow as that eliminates any iron sight issues or problems.

Shooting GP90 has to be a hoot.

[5whiskey]

I have several rifles that I am confident could shoot better than 2" (5 round group, not willing to say that with a 10 round group). My Type 99 Arisaka is VERY accurate, as is my No4 MK1 (it is a fazarkly rearsenal circa 1949, and I'm convinced it immediately mothballed and not fired until I got it... the rifling is that chrisp). My K31 is pretty darn accurate, but I tend to vertical string bad as the vertical sight alignment is a bit more challenging. I have turned out a few sub 2 moa groups with my Enfield and Arisaka. Not all day every day, but enough to claim the rifle can do it. 2 moa is about my personal max capacity with 45 year old eyes looking down 80+ year old iron sights.

[FrankenMauser]

Vast majorit8y of my shooting is hand loads.
(...)
Shooting GP90 has to be a hoot.

I only shoot handloads.
I have never pulled the trigger on a factory round of GP90 or GP11.

But that does mean that my 1889 has seen Nosler Ballistic Tips and Hornady ELD-X.

[RC20]

I had a guy take pity on me and he sent some GP11 to a brother in the states (legal) who then brought it up here (also legal aka in factory packaging).

So I got to shoot a few. Then my brother scored the Brick of GP11 and I got enough to play with. Otherwise no.

What I can say is hand loads will probably deliver better results though you may have a gun that just likes the GP11.

I suspect GP90 is only seen in pictures for me