So where are all the home defense shotguns?

gaseousclay · October 14, 2020, 08:37 AM

I know gun sales have shot through the roof, but dang, Mossberg 590a1's are going for $1000+ on gunbroker.com. I'm assuming Mossberg, and other companies, are working at full capacity to address demand but even my favorite LGS doesn't have any home defense shotguns available, and they're usually well stocked on other firearms. They only have hunting/sporting shotguns for sale and while I understand that those, too, can be used for home defense, they're not my cup of tea. What about the Winchester SXP? Who else makes home defense shotguns with an 18" barrel?

FITASC · October 14, 2020, 08:40 AM

Why do you assume they are working at full capacity? Some states still have lockdowns going on. Secondly, supply chains have been disrupted causing massive shortages of raw materials.

You can buy any pump gun from Mossberg or Remington and find an 18" barrel afterwards at most pawn shops.

SaltyPirate · October 14, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FITASC

Why do you assume they are working at full capacity? Some states still have lockdowns going on. Secondly, supply chains have been disrupted causing massive shortages of raw materials.

You can buy any pump gun from Mossberg or Remington and find an 18" barrel afterwards at most pawn shops.

Exactly. Mossberg and Magpul are understaffed. Mossberg especially. Their production line is hit hard. We'll see the end results in months to come.

Magpul is doing everything it can to accommodate for shifts and replenish out of stock items. But, then again, Magpul has it easier as far as manufacturing.

wild cat mccane · October 14, 2020, 12:41 PM

US has a steel import ban. I hope this doesn't get flagged because it relates to Trump because it's true...https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...states-082920/

Mexico semi assembled Maverick 88s (Mossberg owned) are more available for this reason.

No. For 2 months I've looked for a mossberg 930 or 500 in 12ga. Simply do not exist. When they do, they go quick for 300 above normal worth. There is only one option for a 500 on gun.deals. It's a synthetic, 28"--the cheapest option for a 500 normally priced at $260. It is going for $500. Crazy.

Remington rifles were shut down for covid and Chapter 11.

You can find barrels, you can't find the actual 870 or 500 right now.

Bill DeShivs · October 14, 2020, 01:57 PM

Hacksaw, file.

**JohnKSa** · October 14, 2020, 05:40 PM

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US has a steel import ban. I hope this doesn't get flagged because it relates to Trump because it's true...https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...states-082920/

The contents of the link say nothing about a ban.

1. It's not a ban, it's a tariff.
2. It doesn't apply to all countries.
3. The U.S. steel supply is not in danger, the restriction was due, in fact, overproduction throughout the world which created a glut/plummeting prices.
4. Since the restrictions went into effect, domestic suppliers have increased production--in 2019, domestic steel production was the highest in over a decade.

All that aside, U.S. steel production, not surprisingly dropped in early 2020 and has been lower than usual since, although it has recovered significantly, starting in July.

Sharkbite · October 14, 2020, 05:49 PM

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Hacksaw, file.

^^^THIS^^^
Measure twice...cut once.

FITASC · October 14, 2020, 06:01 PM

No need. The longer barrel can be sold to offset the cost of the new short one

gaseousclay · October 14, 2020, 06:19 PM

True about lockdowns, but I figured since gun stores are considered essential that gun manufacturers would likewise be essential and running at full capacity.

Either way, I’m just gonna wait to get the 590a1

Double K · October 14, 2020, 09:22 PM

Just buy a short barrel for your current gun, midway has quite a few in stock and lets you backorder most others, lots of short barrels out there if you just look. I have 4 barrels for my 20 gauge 870 including a 21".
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003745217?pid=366756

PatientWolf · October 17, 2020, 02:48 PM

Although they are not the A1 model, I’ve seen several 590s #50778 go through the LGS, so they are available.

The SXPs seem harder to find around here. Not many shops carry Winchester regularly it seems. Cabela’s seems to have them (the base Defender model) available as order to store about every 3 weeks, but you have to check regularly and move quickly when they are available. In the SXP, though, I wanted a replaceable choke and just haven’t seen those in a 24” or less barrel length, much less 20” or less. The SXPs are also made in Turkey, so I am not sure how that supply chain is affected.

deadcoyote · October 19, 2020, 12:36 PM

Two things:
I really wanted a stoeger m3000 and absolutely couldn’t get my hands on a short barreled model and when I called my local Smith he only wanted
$45 to cut the barrel and move the bead.

I coincidentally just found an 18.5 inch take off barrel from a mossberg/maverick 88 in a gun sock in my closet. It’s the one with the cap halfway down for the 5 shot mag tube so it’d go on a normal hunting mossberg. If one of you guys need it I’ll mail it to you for pretty cheap, like $70.

cslinger · October 19, 2020, 12:43 PM

You would almost think there was unprecedented demand and a general fear of unpleasantness about. Nahhh couldn’t be that.

T. O'Heir · October 19, 2020, 01:29 PM

You should define what you think a 'home defense shotgun' is. A shotgun with a 30" FC barrel will do keeping the zombies away just as well as an 18.5" cylinder choke.
"...going for $1000+..." Auction sites are like that. They cater primarily to the uneducated.
"...Hacksaw, file..." Pipe cutter, file, but only if there's no rib. snicker.

410guy · October 19, 2020, 03:41 PM

It's just not home defense shotguns, new pump shotguns in general are hard to find. Even some of the LGS are out of used ones.

gaseousclay · October 20, 2020, 02:50 PM

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You should define what you think a 'home defense shotgun' is

My idea of a home defense shotgun would be a pump action with an 18.5" barrel. So, something that is ideal for close quarter combat or something that's easy to maneuver around corners with. I realize that any shotgun would do in a survival scenario but a longer barreled shotgun doesn't seem practical to me.

Bill DeShivs · October 20, 2020, 09:16 PM

Pipe cutters should never be used to cut a shotgun barrel. They don't cut, they cleave. This results in constricted metal at the muzzle.

Kirrich · December 25, 2020, 10:33 PM

I was looking for a shotgun in early 2013 for HD. Many articles kept touting a pump shotgun so when you rack it, it supposedly scares away any perp. Logically, I would think it would just reveal your position, so I opted for a semi-auto. I had been looking for an FN SLP, but none were available in my town, so I noticed a Benelli M2 which was similar. The action was very smooth, as it should be, so I bought and have been very happy with it ever since. Of course it was expensive, but I believe in quality. After all, my life or family's lives may depend on it someday and I want to make sure it works. First of all, I was impressed with the ghost ring sights and found them accurate when I was shooting it out in the desert at 35 yards, which was more then sufficient for me. Installed a Tru Lock Crio Plus Tactical Breeching Choke Tube, not so much for breaking down any doors or impaling any zombies, but it just looks bad ass.

bamaranger · December 26, 2020, 01:59 AM

Many of the SD shotguns bought and are now in homes. There's been a tremendous run on handguns and SD type firearms in general, I can't quote you the numbers, but its staggering. As certain areas in the country spun into chaos due to social unpleasantness/riot, many folks (rightly) decided they needed a firearm.

Fair weather rioters. Now that it's winter, notice all that craziness, for the most part, has stopped. Hard to riot......comfortably.....below freezing and a foot of snow on the ground.

Brit · December 26, 2020, 06:23 AM

Had to leave my 14" barrel back in Canada! 18.5 is OK. I picked up a Mossburg Ex 12 gage, from a Sheriff's Dept. For $87.00. Lots of misuse, but no wear internally.
Put a sticker on each side, SECURITY. On the plastic buttstock. Had it cut down to 18.5" Plus a new brass bead.
Used it on a security contract for two months. The first night I carried the Shotgun, no more hanger on's showed up. Glock 19 in the store, plus a shotgun outside, escorting the staff to their vehicles. That plus a vehicle escort, diamond delivery. We received a good fee for that duty. But no real call for it.

KyJim · December 26, 2020, 09:17 PM

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Many of the SD shotguns bought and are now in homes. There's been a tremendous run on handguns and SD type firearms in general, I can't quote you the numbers, but its staggering. As certain areas in the country spun into chaos due to social unpleasantness/riot, many folks (rightly) decided they needed a firearm.

Fair weather rioters. Now that it's winter, notice all that craziness, for the most part, has stopped. Hard to riot......comfortably.....below freezing and a foot of snow on the ground.

We noted most of the unrest stopped after the election...

Draw your own conclusions.

rc · December 26, 2020, 11:29 PM

Remember Remington is currently out of business. Mossberg has to take up the slack but can't. Winchester guns come from Turkey. I'd look for a used shotgun or a home grown Ithaca 37 or a Browning BPS and go from there. I would not pay $1000 for a mossberg pump or an 870 express. Sorry, not worth the cost. Great guns but not at that price point. Ithacas are ALL STEEL. A standard mossberg holds 5+1 with the plug out.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/02/2...shotgun-rides/

Kirrich · December 27, 2020, 10:08 AM

Never understood why people will not pay for quality and just get something cheap. If my life might be in danger, I would want to know that something I paid for is going to work and not break down.

GarandTd · December 27, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Never understood why people will not pay for quality and just get something cheap.

I think you've greatly oversimplified a difficult decision that some people have to make.

FAS1 · December 27, 2020, 11:18 AM

Take a look online for used home defense shotguns like the Beretta 1201FP. I saw a NIB one for sale last year for $650. Most of these shotguns have very low round counts. Also, have seen a batch of police trade-ins within the last year that were for sale in the $400-$500 range. They are very good home defense shotguns.

https://auctionarmory.com/shop/sales...free-shipping/

October 14, 2020, 08:37 AM	#1
gaseousclay Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2010 Posts: 1,210	So where are all the home defense shotguns? I know gun sales have shot through the roof, but dang, Mossberg 590a1's are going for $1000+ on gunbroker.com. I'm assuming Mossberg, and other companies, are working at full capacity to address demand but even my favorite LGS doesn't have any home defense shotguns available, and they're usually well stocked on other firearms. They only have hunting/sporting shotguns for sale and while I understand that those, too, can be used for home defense, they're not my cup of tea. What about the Winchester SXP? Who else makes home defense shotguns with an 18" barrel?

October 14, 2020, 08:40 AM	#2
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Why do you assume they are working at full capacity? Some states still have lockdowns going on. Secondly, supply chains have been disrupted causing massive shortages of raw materials. You can buy any pump gun from Mossberg or Remington and find an 18" barrel afterwards at most pawn shops. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 14, 2020, 12:41 PM	#4
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,626	US has a steel import ban. I hope this doesn't get flagged because it relates to Trump because it's true...https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...states-082920/ Mexico semi assembled Maverick 88s (Mossberg owned) are more available for this reason. No. For 2 months I've looked for a mossberg 930 or 500 in 12ga. Simply do not exist. When they do, they go quick for 300 above normal worth. There is only one option for a 500 on gun.deals. It's a synthetic, 28"--the cheapest option for a 500 normally priced at $260. It is going for $500. Crazy. Remington rifles were shut down for covid and Chapter 11. You can find barrels, you can't find the actual 870 or 500 right now. Last edited by wild cat mccane; October 14, 2020 at 12:48 PM.

October 14, 2020, 06:01 PM	#8
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	No need. The longer barrel can be sold to offset the cost of the new short one __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 19, 2020, 12:43 PM	#13
cslinger Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,045	You would almost think there was unprecedented demand and a general fear of unpleasantness about. Nahhh couldn’t be that. __________________ "Is there anyway I can write my local gun store off on my taxes as dependents?"

October 14, 2020, 01:57 PM	#5
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,984	Hacksaw, file. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

October 14, 2020, 06:19 PM	#9
gaseousclay Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2010 Posts: 1,210	True about lockdowns, but I figured since gun stores are considered essential that gun manufacturers would likewise be essential and running at full capacity. Either way, I’m just gonna wait to get the 590a1

October 14, 2020, 09:22 PM	#10
Double K Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2020 Location: Colorado Posts: 486	Just buy a short barrel for your current gun, midway has quite a few in stock and lets you backorder most others, lots of short barrels out there if you just look. I have 4 barrels for my 20 gauge 870 including a 21". https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003745217?pid=366756

October 17, 2020, 02:48 PM	#11
PatientWolf Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Location: NC Posts: 947	Although they are not the A1 model, I’ve seen several 590s #50778 go through the LGS, so they are available. The SXPs seem harder to find around here. Not many shops carry Winchester regularly it seems. Cabela’s seems to have them (the base Defender model) available as order to store about every 3 weeks, but you have to check regularly and move quickly when they are available. In the SXP, though, I wanted a replaceable choke and just haven’t seen those in a 24” or less barrel length, much less 20” or less. The SXPs are also made in Turkey, so I am not sure how that supply chain is affected.

October 19, 2020, 12:36 PM	#12
deadcoyote Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2009 Location: northern CA Posts: 674	Two things: I really wanted a stoeger m3000 and absolutely couldn’t get my hands on a short barreled model and when I called my local Smith he only wanted $45 to cut the barrel and move the bead. I coincidentally just found an 18.5 inch take off barrel from a mossberg/maverick 88 in a gun sock in my closet. It’s the one with the cap halfway down for the 5 shot mag tube so it’d go on a normal hunting mossberg. If one of you guys need it I’ll mail it to you for pretty cheap, like $70.

October 19, 2020, 01:29 PM	#14
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	You should define what you think a 'home defense shotgun' is. A shotgun with a 30" FC barrel will do keeping the zombies away just as well as an 18.5" cylinder choke. "...going for $1000+..." Auction sites are like that. They cater primarily to the uneducated. "...Hacksaw, file..." Pipe cutter, file, but only if there's no rib. snicker. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

October 19, 2020, 03:41 PM	#15
410guy Junior Member Join Date: August 21, 2020 Posts: 12	It's just not home defense shotguns, new pump shotguns in general are hard to find. Even some of the LGS are out of used ones.

October 20, 2020, 09:16 PM	#17
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,984	Pipe cutters should never be used to cut a shotgun barrel. They don't cut, they cleave. This results in constricted metal at the muzzle. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

December 26, 2020, 01:59 AM	#19
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,308	homes Many of the SD shotguns bought and are now in homes. There's been a tremendous run on handguns and SD type firearms in general, I can't quote you the numbers, but its staggering. As certain areas in the country spun into chaos due to social unpleasantness/riot, many folks (rightly) decided they needed a firearm. Fair weather rioters. Now that it's winter, notice all that craziness, for the most part, has stopped. Hard to riot......comfortably.....below freezing and a foot of snow on the ground.

December 26, 2020, 06:23 AM	#20
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Had to leave my 14" barrel back in Canada! 18.5 is OK. I picked up a Mossburg Ex 12 gage, from a Sheriff's Dept. For $87.00. Lots of misuse, but no wear internally. Put a sticker on each side, SECURITY. On the plastic buttstock. Had it cut down to 18.5" Plus a new brass bead. Used it on a security contract for two months. The first night I carried the Shotgun, no more hanger on's showed up. Glock 19 in the store, plus a shotgun outside, escorting the staff to their vehicles. That plus a vehicle escort, diamond delivery. We received a good fee for that duty. But no real call for it.

December 26, 2020, 11:29 PM	#22
rc Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 1,767	Remember Remington is currently out of business. Mossberg has to take up the slack but can't. Winchester guns come from Turkey. I'd look for a used shotgun or a home grown Ithaca 37 or a Browning BPS and go from there. I would not pay $1000 for a mossberg pump or an 870 express. Sorry, not worth the cost. Great guns but not at that price point. Ithacas are ALL STEEL. A standard mossberg holds 5+1 with the plug out. https://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/02/2...shotgun-rides/

December 27, 2020, 10:08 AM	#23
Kirrich Member Join Date: December 21, 2020 Location: N. Nevada Posts: 32	Never understood why people will not pay for quality and just get something cheap. If my life might be in danger, I would want to know that something I paid for is going to work and not break down.

December 27, 2020, 11:18 AM	#25
FAS1 Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 541	Take a look online for used home defense shotguns like the Beretta 1201FP. I saw a NIB one for sale last year for $650. Most of these shotguns have very low round counts. Also, have seen a batch of police trade-ins within the last year that were for sale in the $400-$500 range. They are very good home defense shotguns. https://auctionarmory.com/shop/sales...free-shipping/ __________________ *Glenn* *FAS1 SAFE*