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Old May 13, 2019, 02:03 AM   #76
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I find it strange and odd that both videos are so short.
Also that both posters do not have any other videos posted on their youtube accounts.
The 1st poster listed the link to the 2nd video the day after it was posted on youtube.
If these were shipped to legitimate customers then they seem to be among the first.
We still haven't seen any videos of either the Wrath or Bulldog models, including on the company's youtube channel or website.
It seems like a very secretive and suspicious way of doing business when a company doesn't want to fire or make any videos using their own prototypes or completed guns.
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Old May 13, 2019, 06:40 AM   #77
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I can imagine......

I sell professional equipment for a living, and have done so for decades. In fact retirement is getting closer.
Manufacturing is a tough gig these days. The business I am in requires FDA clearance for many if not all of the products I sell. FDA is just one of the alphabet soup agencies where we must have an official blessing before the product can be sold.
I can't imagine the BS that goes with manufacturing firearms. It is especially challenging for the little guy to get any traction.

The above does not excuse this vendors behavior.
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Old May 20, 2019, 01:41 PM   #78
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Arcticap above is 100% correct, I call BS on the vids as well. I have spoken with the man several times with NO straights answers hence cancelled my orders for 2 Pistols as well, Will place again one day if they do surface ,which I doubt. Refund was prompt as well as communication regarding its request for what its worth.

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Old June 10, 2019, 05:57 PM   #79
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I've been requesting production updates about every month or so-I've always received a prompt response. The latest update included a photo of what looks to be Diablo frames in production & they "expect to fill all outstanding pre-orders in the next 30-60 days."
I'm still keepin' the faith & enjoying the journey.
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Old June 11, 2019, 08:38 PM   #80
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That's optimistic news.
Thanks for the update.
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Old July 27, 2019, 10:31 AM   #81
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FYI-here's the latest update I've received:

Good news

All parts for your pistol are now complete, the production run is finished now. We need to send some items out for polishing and then finishing. The pistol in the pictures below was built from the same production run part sets that your gun will be assembled with, fit and finish is very nice and the pistols are beautiful! Note the one pistol shown has not been polished yet but is completely assembled to test fit and function of all parts in this production run, this is just mill finish parts shown assembled. The other pictures is what the parts look like when they leave the hand polishing department, and this is before Blue or Nickel finish is applied, this is just raw metal, this is a beautiful gun!

Status of your order is the parts are in polishing this week, next week they will go to finishing. Then once back we will assemble and ship to you.

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I didn't know the wait was going to be like a custom 1911 order but I'm still hopeful the 12 gauge wads, shot, & #11 primers I have will not be a wasted. I've already waited 27 weeks so what's a few more? Am I stupid or just wanting to believe that not everyone is trying to pull a fast one? Stay tuned
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Old July 27, 2019, 05:45 PM   #82
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Yeah, I was going to say for a gun that's priced at about $500, these are looking like some sort of custom operation that costs 2 grand.

I have a feeling noelf2 and TheAtomsFam are on to something, this operation is fishy. From my time in manufacturing, I question whether they had any contract set up with suppliers to deliver the forged or cast frames before orders came in or if they even had the tooling to do the machining operations.

It looks as tho instead of getting a loan from an investor, an investor they would have to pay interest to for the loan, they're just taking money from customers and buying or paying for the work as they get the funds.

So, they take your money, tell you it's a 6 week wait, then it becomes a nearly 12 month wait. There's no excuse for that delay other than they were not set up to produce these in the beginning and lied. That, or they prioritized other work for various orders they get to produce parts for other customers that aren't related to the guns.

This is what happens when you pay to pre-order something.

I can only imagine how poor the customer service will be if there are any issues with these once they finally get into customers' hands. This honestly feels like a Hudson situation all over again.
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Old August 26, 2019, 10:05 AM   #83
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Update: I received notification from AGC shipping department over the weekend that my Diablo is on its way & the UPS tracking number says it will deliver by the end of day Wednesday 8-28.
I'll give another update when I unbox & hopefully a range report too, then I'll let you know if it was worth waiting for 32 weeks or not
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Old August 27, 2019, 01:50 PM   #84
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O ye of little faith-Brown showed up early this afternoon with a package!
Attached are photos of the un-boxing & Diablo in hand.
Came well packaged, ram rod included along with a microfiber storage bag & cloth.
First impressions-feels like a solid, well made chunk of steel. The fit, finish, bluing all look very well executed-1st negative I can say is the trigger curve crowds my finger at full cock, may have to work on this after field testing.

It's gonna be a blast




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