ATF issues warning of more IED's in trail cameras

Erno86 · August 29, 2016, 03:39 PM

"The ATF issues warning of more IED's in trail cameras that were found in Harlan County, Kentucky. There is more information that a tree stand had been placed in the woods with a explosive device attached."

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/...-trail-cameras

themalicious0ne · August 29, 2016, 05:01 PM

This is over a year old article. Has it been resolved?

Sharkbite · August 29, 2016, 05:16 PM

Resolved??

With the worldwide jihad that's been called, im not sure its going to be "resolved" with anything less then a total effort.

Hunters beware!! As Elk (archery) seasons opens in my neck of the woods, im going to keep an extra keen eye open for game cameras.

thallub · August 29, 2016, 05:36 PM

Near as i can determine, this was first reported by the state police in June, 2016.

The good news:

The perp was caught. He tried to escape and was killed.

From the link at the OP:

Quote:

During an attempt to have Sawaf find the remaining devices in Harlan County, he attempted to escape and was fatally shot.

The bad news:

There may be more booby trapped game cameras in the area.

Gunplummer · August 29, 2016, 08:13 PM

I hunt in a State Park that used to be an impact area. They are still finding stuff laying around. Get used to it.

briandg · August 29, 2016, 08:54 PM

Why in the world was someone putting bombs in cameras and tree stands? is this some sort of ted kazinski nutcase?

TXAZ · August 29, 2016, 08:57 PM

Ted? Probably not.

Nutcase, yes.

FrankenMauser · August 29, 2016, 10:54 PM

The responsible individual was arrested and attempted to escape while showing law enforcement agents the remaining cameras/IEDs.
Since he tried to grab an officer's firearm during the escape, he is no longer alive.

If you don't live in Harlan County, Kentucky, I'd say this is pretty low on the worry list.

Tucker 1371 · August 30, 2016, 12:29 AM

Not a very effective location for a terror weapon. Nor an ideal triggering mechanism. With the knowledge he had, or should have had, it shouldn't have been too difficult to wire the switch into the cameras' motion sensors that tell it to take a picture. Then again I suppose getting a premature det on a squirrel wasn't what this dirtbag was going for. Glad he is no longer amongst us.

briandg · August 30, 2016, 08:12 AM

I am making the assumption that this guy was Booby trapping cameras that he located out in the wild. There are hundreds of motion sensor products that would serve identical purposes for a fraction of the price that maybe could be jiggered to detonate explosives if he was intent on killing random people.

One thing that briefly came to mind was that it would be a stupid way to hunt deer. Even so, trip wires mat have been simpler. Granted, he would not have had a face detonation.

Erno86 · August 30, 2016, 03:21 PM

We'll have to worry about copycatters for the time being. People have been known to put straight-up sticking nails in mud puddles on horse trails in some of Maryland's state parks. One of those is where I go turkey and deer hunting, where I talked to Maryland Natural Resources police officer {about 20 years ago}, who busted a pot grower there, that had his marijuana field on state park property; which had a loaded trip-wire shotgun mounted on a tree overlooking his plants.

briandg · August 30, 2016, 04:25 PM

I don't know if you have ever seen caltrops.
From wikipedia

These things have been used for centuries against people and horses. A smith could turn out hundreds in a day. They would be scattered out like mines. Anyone who wanted to could put those together in a garage with a bit of welding skills.

We recently had some SOB tossing them along the roads here.

Can you believe that these are sold on Ebay?

Erno86 · August 30, 2016, 04:37 PM

No...I've never seen a Caltrop before, but very interesting --- Thanks for the image.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop

briandg · August 30, 2016, 05:15 PM

The things were generally about 1 inch or 2, or a little larger. Imagine it. It makes me hurt just thinking about it.

That would disable a horse and maybe the thing would wind up permanently lame after infection.

stangbangr · August 30, 2016, 08:46 PM

In the hills we call these "Jack rocks". They were used a lot back in the coal mining Union/striking days. Usually made by taking two nails, bending them into right angles and welding them together. I remember my dad losing a lot of tires to them.

buck460XVR · September 1, 2016, 12:24 PM

A few years back, there was some moron booby-trapping public hunting land by digging holes on trails regularly used by hunters, lining the bottom with sharpened lengths of re-rod and covering them over with grass. It was believed he was trying to keep other hunters out of "HIS" hunting area, or just got a thrill from hurting random folks. This was before the days of pot "grows" and remote meth labs. Never was caught, but there were warnings posted similar to the one about the trail cams. Lots of sick folks out there just looking for a way to display their sickness. One needs to be aware of this whenever something does not seem right, even in the woods.

August 29, 2016, 03:39 PM	#1
Erno86 Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2012 Location: Marriottsville, Maryland Posts: 1,739	ATF issues warning of more IED's in trail cameras "The ATF issues warning of more IED's in trail cameras that were found in Harlan County, Kentucky. There is more information that a tree stand had been placed in the woods with a explosive device attached." http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/...-trail-cameras __________________ That rifle hanging on the wall of the working class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." --- George Orwell Last edited by Erno86; August 29, 2016 at 03:47 PM.

August 29, 2016, 08:54 PM	#6
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	Why in the world was someone putting bombs in cameras and tree stands? is this some sort of ted kazinski nutcase? __________________ None.

August 29, 2016, 08:57 PM	#7
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Ted? Probably not. Nutcase, yes. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

August 29, 2016, 10:54 PM	#8
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	The responsible individual was arrested and attempted to escape while showing law enforcement agents the remaining cameras/IEDs. Since he tried to grab an officer's firearm during the escape, he is no longer alive. If you don't live in Harlan County, Kentucky, I'd say this is pretty low on the worry list. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

August 30, 2016, 12:29 AM	#9
Tucker 1371 Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 2,649	Not a very effective location for a terror weapon. Nor an ideal triggering mechanism. With the knowledge he had, or should have had, it shouldn't have been too difficult to wire the switch into the cameras' motion sensors that tell it to take a picture. Then again I suppose getting a premature det on a squirrel wasn't what this dirtbag was going for. Glad he is no longer amongst us. __________________ Sgt. of Marines, 5th Award Expert Rifle, 237/250 Expert Pistol, 382/400. D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! If you start a thread, be active in it. Don't leave us hanging. OEF 2011 Sangin, Afg. Molon Labe

August 29, 2016, 05:01 PM	#2
themalicious0ne Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2012 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 345	This is over a year old article. Has it been resolved?

August 29, 2016, 05:16 PM	#3
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Resolved?? With the worldwide jihad that's been called, im not sure its going to be "resolved" with anything less then a total effort. Hunters beware!! As Elk (archery) seasons opens in my neck of the woods, im going to keep an extra keen eye open for game cameras.

August 29, 2016, 08:13 PM	#5
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	I hunt in a State Park that used to be an impact area. They are still finding stuff laying around. Get used to it.

August 30, 2016, 08:12 AM	#10
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I am making the assumption that this guy was Booby trapping cameras that he located out in the wild. There are hundreds of motion sensor products that would serve identical purposes for a fraction of the price that maybe could be jiggered to detonate explosives if he was intent on killing random people. One thing that briefly came to mind was that it would be a stupid way to hunt deer. Even so, trip wires mat have been simpler. Granted, he would not have had a face detonation. __________________ None.

August 30, 2016, 03:21 PM	#11
Erno86 Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2012 Location: Marriottsville, Maryland Posts: 1,739	We'll have to worry about copycatters for the time being. People have been known to put straight-up sticking nails in mud puddles on horse trails in some of Maryland's state parks. One of those is where I go turkey and deer hunting, where I talked to Maryland Natural Resources police officer {about 20 years ago}, who busted a pot grower there, that had his marijuana field on state park property; which had a loaded trip-wire shotgun mounted on a tree overlooking his plants. __________________ That rifle hanging on the wall of the working class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." --- George Orwell

August 30, 2016, 04:25 PM	#12
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I don't know if you have ever seen caltrops. From wikipedia These things have been used for centuries against people and horses. A smith could turn out hundreds in a day. They would be scattered out like mines. Anyone who wanted to could put those together in a garage with a bit of welding skills. We recently had some SOB tossing them along the roads here. Can you believe that these are sold on Ebay? __________________ None.

August 30, 2016, 04:37 PM	#13
Erno86 Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2012 Location: Marriottsville, Maryland Posts: 1,739	No...I've never seen a Caltrop before, but very interesting --- Thanks for the image. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop __________________ That rifle hanging on the wall of the working class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." --- George Orwell

August 30, 2016, 05:15 PM	#14
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	The things were generally about 1 inch or 2, or a little larger. Imagine it. It makes me hurt just thinking about it. That would disable a horse and maybe the thing would wind up permanently lame after infection. __________________ None.

August 30, 2016, 08:46 PM	#15
stangbangr Member Join Date: March 8, 2011 Posts: 92	In the hills we call these "Jack rocks". They were used a lot back in the coal mining Union/striking days. Usually made by taking two nails, bending them into right angles and welding them together. I remember my dad losing a lot of tires to them.

September 1, 2016, 12:24 PM	#16
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	A few years back, there was some moron booby-trapping public hunting land by digging holes on trails regularly used by hunters, lining the bottom with sharpened lengths of re-rod and covering them over with grass. It was believed he was trying to keep other hunters out of "HIS" hunting area, or just got a thrill from hurting random folks. This was before the days of pot "grows" and remote meth labs. Never was caught, but there were warnings posted similar to the one about the trail cams. Lots of sick folks out there just looking for a way to display their sickness. One needs to be aware of this whenever something does not seem right, even in the woods.