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September 5, 2011, 06:34 AM | #1 |
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Composite safe with TL rating and Fire rating from UL
Does anyone know of a safe (one that could go in a home) that has a TL rating for security and also a fire rating from UL? Everything I've been seeing has a "factory" rating or "omega" rating etc.
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The reason most safes do not have both fire and burglary ratings is due to the requirements that UL places on the manufacturers. On the fire rating side, all safes produced must be identical to those submitted for testing. Since many of the burglary rated safes have randomized designs, this precludes them from also having a fire rating, even though they may actually past the heat test itself.
Meilink Gibraltars used to have a few models with UL fire ratings, although when I just went to look it appears they are getting away from UL ratings on the burglary side. I also sell a private label line that has both as well. I'm sure there are others, I would just need to research it a bit.
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What I'm beginning to think is these heavy composite safes are only delaying the rise in temperature (like a pizza oven for instance) and due to UL's long cool down period used during the furnace tests these safes are unable to pass the test. I've been looking for a while now and I haven't found any UL fire and tool rated safes which is kind of a surprise.
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Many burglary safe manufacturers aren't overly concerned about the fire protection their safes offer, as most of the contents in those safes do not rely on a fire rating for their protection. The fire protection is merely a side benefit of the design. Some manufacturers want UL ratings, some don't. The jewelry store doesn't really care, as their insurance company is only concerned about the burglary rating. Since they want to spend as little as possible, there's no need to pay a premium for a safe that also carries a UL fire rating. Quote:
Here's a photo of a Meilink Gibraltar I'm sure there are others. If it's that important to you, I"ll run some down for you.
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One of my guys just pointed out that Diebold had a line of cashguards that also had UL fire ratings. I believe they were available in both TL-15 and TL-30.
I found a photo that shows the fire tag, but it's not easy to see, so I'll see if I can find a better one and edit this message with a photo for you.
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Thanks a1abdj. I did look at Meilink Gibraltar looking for the UL fire rating but I found it only had an 'Omega Point' rating. Could you please link the model you are showing in your photo.
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I don't know if you'll find many modern day versions. Most of these safes are no longer made, unless you want to purchase a used unit. The Gibraltar is still made, and is built the same as the former UL rated units, although it is no longer carrying a UL label.
I don't know why some of these manufacturers wanted UL fire ratings at the time, but none of them seem interested in paying for the testing now. The safes are still made the same, with the same materials, and would probably pass the test if they were submitted. The vast majority of the best made composite burglary safes don't have official fire ratings, although I would bet that they would perform exactly as the manufacturers claim they would. There's a big difference between real safe manufacturers and gun safe manufacuters when it comes to some of these types of claims.
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