TFL Speed

chucko · August 21, 1999, 09:37 PM

Is it just a problem with my ISP, or has TFL become painfully slow during the last couple days? I'm still cruising through AR15.COM at normal speed so I frigure that TFL or some link on the way to it has become really overloaded. Anyone else having this problem?

Chuck

**4V50 Gary** · August 22, 1999, 08:00 AM

I have the same problem. Can't get into TFL unless it's early morning or late at night. Thanks AOL.

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Dennis · August 22, 1999, 02:54 PM

I have noticed NO difference here.

fal308 · August 23, 1999, 09:17 AM

I seem to have the same problem. I'm usually on around 8:00 Central time. It's been running slow in the morning also.

DC · August 23, 1999, 09:43 AM

I haven't had a recent problem.

The following 2 sites will show if there is any Net congestion between you and the site you access. Note TFL is in Florida
1) Internet weather report http://www.mids.org/weather/

2) Routing Arbiter Statistics
http://www.merit.edu/ipma/reports/

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!

chucko · August 23, 1999, 10:16 AM

DC,

Great Links!

Thanks

**Mal H** · August 23, 1999, 07:17 PM

Yes, I have noticed a big difference over the last week or so. In fact, I would say it is excruciatingly slow.

I just did some timing tests (around 8:00 PM EDT):
Open forums list - 1m 58s
Open Gen discussion list - 6m 39s
Open Suggestions forum - 1m 18s

I am using "Show topics from last day" which should be the fastest loading. The 3 tasks above used to take only a few seconds. I can often take a nap while a long topic is being loaded. I do not see any difference in any other areas I commonly visit.

longhair · August 24, 1999, 06:46 AM

seems to be running about the same on my end,FWIW...

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what me worry?

Jason Demond · August 24, 1999, 01:39 PM

Yep same here to.

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"Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
- Patrick Henry

http://www.homestead.com/gunrights/G...Gunrights.html

ICQ no. 46780559

[email protected] · August 24, 1999, 02:18 PM

Guys, the server is moving just fine. I check it's status every day, and it's flying right along. If there is a problem with speed, it is either on your end, or is somewhere between you and the server.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com
www.bladeforums.com

**Rich Lucibella** · August 25, 1999, 09:31 AM

Well, I'm back in Florida on my cable modem. The pages are loading instantaneously, so the Server must be spitting them out as quick as the cable can transmit.

Generally, when it appears slow, I'll open another Browser and check other sites. Inevitably they, too, are slow. This points to a problem with my ISP or general Internet sluggishness....not a particular site server. Try it sometime.
Rich

Harley Nolden · August 25, 1999, 10:40 AM

Rich:
I experienced some of the same problems, however, I purged my PC and got rid of a lot of stuff that was jamming the PC, Works fine now.

HJN

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George Hill · August 25, 1999, 06:22 PM

Even with a fast connection - clear the cache and history files one in awhile... This is for your browsers processing.

I have had no speed problems.

T3 Baby!

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Dennis · August 25, 1999, 06:36 PM

"I'm on my cable modem!" (smirk)
"T3-baby!" (grin)

(grumble, grouse)
And here I sit "flying along" at 24K.
(grumble, grouse)
How in the devil would I be able to tell if things slow down? (grumble, grouse)

Oh, well. While I'm waiting for the forums to load I can look out the window at the three 6-point bucks, two 8-point bucks, all in velvet, all in my back yard here about 20 feet from the house.

Hmm. That one buck back there in the brush is bigger than these young ones....

(Sigh) At least I have something to do....

(heh, heh, heh.)

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited August 25, 1999).]

HankL · August 25, 1999, 09:03 PM

I'm sitting here on my V90 at home and things apear as normal to me!
Hank using Bellsouth down in dah south

George Hill · August 25, 1999, 10:02 PM

Dont feel bad Dennis - The T3 is my WORK line. I dont even have a connection from home! When I leave my current job - I will get a DSL or ISDN connection at home... But for now, I get all of the WEB I want... Oh, I still have a little HP palm top unit that I can use from home - but it is too SLOW to even deal with. Wife uses it for all our finances and stuff...

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"America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top."

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE
The Critic formerly known as Kodiac

chucko · August 25, 1999, 10:34 PM

its been fine the last few days, but thursday, friday, and saturday it was so slow I thought it was about to die on us.

**Mal H** · August 28, 1999, 10:17 PM

I can't believe no one else is experiencing problems with slow load times. It took a full 20 minutes to load this very topic. I see on bladeforums that folks were having problems loading yesterday (8/27). I'm not sure if the problems are related but it took about 4 min. to load the initial screen on BF. The problem is worse during prime-time and pretty much gone after around 2:00 AM EDT.

This and bladeforums are the only sites I experience this on. I have purged history files, etc. When I am having the problem, I can get to any other site I choose within seconds from a new window. And I don't mean major sites like eBay or amazon, but small ones like the 10/22 forum, Jack Weigand's site, or Benchrest Central.

I know the problem is most likely within the pipe getting to/from the server and not the server itself. This is obvious due to the fact that it only occurs during prime-time. My question is - do the powers that be have any diagnostic tools on the server that can detect when a specific request is received and the pertinent pages/packets sent out? If so, maybe we could synchronize a time to see if the problem is occurring after the packets are sent or if the request and ack/nack are slow getting to the server. If not, I will be content to just live with it and log on to this site only during the oui hours of the morning.

Please, no insults about how to fix my system. If the problem was on my end, then all sites should be slow. I have been in this business ever since Al Gore invented the Autovon system (have installed a few of those sites) and have a few hours under my belt diagnosing general network problems. However, I'm not up to snuff on diagnosing internet packet switching and TCP/IP problems.

dZ · August 28, 1999, 11:06 PM

i am on with aol as an ISP on a mac G3 laptop
with a 28.8 modem
speed seems ok

t1 at work is better but this is tolerable

dZ

Dennis · August 28, 1999, 11:44 PM

Mal H,
No insults, buddy. I've been on TFL off and on all day since Thursday. (My wife's out of town - I can play BIG time!)

I'm in the woods just north of San Antonio, TX and everything has been working fine.

We even coaxed the local server up to 26.4MB!

I have NO idea what's hurting you but it's between you and TFL somewhere. Honest!

Sambonator · August 29, 1999, 01:52 AM

Loading up fine here, in Tustin, CA. on Cox@Home cablemodem.

frogman6 · August 29, 1999, 02:09 AM

no prob here in ca at 12:07

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**Rich Lucibella** · August 29, 1999, 07:12 AM

Mal-
Spark's the only one that can respond to your questions about monitoring software for the Server. He usually pops in and out.
Rich

[email protected] · August 29, 1999, 10:05 PM

According to my tests, the server is working fine.

If you guys want to pony up $1500 for another 500mB of RAM, be my guest, that will really make the server scream...

(Just kidding, of course).

Anyhow, I monitor the server regularly, and it's doing just dandy. The problems with BladeForums.com are usually malicious in intent, not software problems, and they only affect BladeForums.com.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com
www.bladeforums.com

**Mal H** · September 1, 1999, 02:05 PM

C'mon Spark, fess up. You tweaked something a couple of days ago, didn't you?

Just kidding, I'm sure you would have mentioned it. Anyway my access is now back to what it was 3 weeks ago, 1 or 2 sec. loading times as opposed to 1 min. to 15 min. loading times. And it has been good for 3 days now. I changed nothing on my system so I highly suspect my ISP, Prodigy Internet, did something to fix it recently. It was very curious, however, that it was only TFL that showed the bad load times. It was so bad, I suspect lost packets instead of long latency. The Internet Weather Report never showed a major problem when it was acting up. Very curious. (No reply necessary.)

August 21, 1999, 09:37 PM	#1
chucko Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 1999 Posts: 151	Is it just a problem with my ISP, or has TFL become painfully slow during the last couple days? I'm still cruising through AR15.COM at normal speed so I frigure that TFL or some link on the way to it has become really overloaded. Anyone else having this problem? Chuck

August 22, 1999, 08:00 AM	#2
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,841	I have the same problem. Can't get into TFL unless it's early morning or late at night. Thanks AOL. ------------------ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt

August 22, 1999, 02:54 PM	#3
Dennis Staff Emeritus Join Date: November 23, 1998 Location: a small forest in Texas Posts: 7,079	I have noticed NO difference here.

August 23, 1999, 09:17 AM	#4
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	I seem to have the same problem. I'm usually on around 8:00 Central time. It's been running slow in the morning also.

August 23, 1999, 09:43 AM	#5
DC Moderator Emeritus Join Date: September 30, 1998 Location: Calif Posts: 4,229	I haven't had a recent problem. The following 2 sites will show if there is any Net congestion between you and the site you access. Note TFL is in Florida 1) Internet weather report http://www.mids.org/weather/ 2) Routing Arbiter Statistics http://www.merit.edu/ipma/reports/ ------------------ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!

August 23, 1999, 10:16 AM	#6
chucko Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 1999 Posts: 151	DC, Great Links! Thanks

August 23, 1999, 07:17 PM	#7
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	Yes, I have noticed a big difference over the last week or so. In fact, I would say it is excruciatingly slow. I just did some timing tests (around 8:00 PM EDT): Open forums list - 1m 58s Open Gen discussion list - 6m 39s Open Suggestions forum - 1m 18s I am using "Show topics from last day" which should be the fastest loading. The 3 tasks above used to take only a few seconds. I can often take a nap while a long topic is being loaded. I do not see any difference in any other areas I commonly visit.

August 24, 1999, 06:46 AM	#8
longhair Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 1998 Location: CSA Posts: 632	seems to be running about the same on my end,FWIW... ------------------ what me worry?

August 24, 1999, 01:39 PM	#9
Jason Demond Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 1999 Location: Mivonks, Michigan Posts: 1,846	Yep same here to. ------------------ "Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" - Patrick Henry http://www.homestead.com/gunrights/G...Gunrights.html ICQ no. 46780559

August 24, 1999, 02:18 PM	#10
[email protected] Wise Guy Join Date: October 10, 1998 Posts: 665	Guys, the server is moving just fine. I check it's status every day, and it's flying right along. If there is a problem with speed, it is either on your end, or is somewhere between you and the server. Spark ------------------ Kevin Jon Schlossberg SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com www.bladeforums.com

August 25, 1999, 09:31 AM	#11
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Well, I'm back in Florida on my cable modem. The pages are loading instantaneously, so the Server must be spitting them out as quick as the cable can transmit. Generally, when it appears slow, I'll open another Browser and check other sites. Inevitably they, too, are slow. This points to a problem with my ISP or general Internet sluggishness....not a particular site server. Try it sometime. Rich

August 25, 1999, 10:40 AM	#12
Harley Nolden Staff In Memoriam Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Brunswick,GA USA Posts: 1,884	Rich: I experienced some of the same problems, however, I purged my PC and got rid of a lot of stuff that was jamming the PC, Works fine now. HJN ------------------

August 25, 1999, 06:22 PM	#13
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Even with a fast connection - clear the cache and history files one in awhile... This is for your browsers processing. I have had no speed problems. T3 Baby! ------------------ "America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top." RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE The Critic formerly known as Kodiac

August 25, 1999, 06:36 PM	#14
Dennis Staff Emeritus Join Date: November 23, 1998 Location: a small forest in Texas Posts: 7,079	"I'm on my cable modem!" (smirk) "T3-baby!" (grin) (grumble, grouse) And here I sit "flying along" at 24K. (grumble, grouse) How in the devil would I be able to tell if things slow down? (grumble, grouse) Oh, well. While I'm waiting for the forums to load I can look out the window at the three 6-point bucks, two 8-point bucks, all in velvet, all in my back yard here about 20 feet from the house. Hmm. That one buck back there in the brush is bigger than these young ones.... (Sigh) At least I have something to do.... (heh, heh, heh.) [This message has been edited by Dennis (edited August 25, 1999).]

August 25, 1999, 09:03 PM	#15
HankL Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: The Sunny South Posts: 2,174	I'm sitting here on my V90 at home and things apear as normal to me! Hank using Bellsouth down in dah south

August 25, 1999, 10:02 PM	#16
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Dont feel bad Dennis - The T3 is my WORK line. I dont even have a connection from home! When I leave my current job - I will get a DSL or ISDN connection at home... But for now, I get all of the WEB I want... Oh, I still have a little HP palm top unit that I can use from home - but it is too SLOW to even deal with. Wife uses it for all our finances and stuff... ------------------ "America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top." RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE The Critic formerly known as Kodiac

August 25, 1999, 10:34 PM	#17
chucko Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 1999 Posts: 151	its been fine the last few days, but thursday, friday, and saturday it was so slow I thought it was about to die on us.

August 28, 1999, 10:17 PM	#18
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	I can't believe no one else is experiencing problems with slow load times. It took a full 20 minutes to load this very topic. I see on bladeforums that folks were having problems loading yesterday (8/27). I'm not sure if the problems are related but it took about 4 min. to load the initial screen on BF. The problem is worse during prime-time and pretty much gone after around 2:00 AM EDT. This and bladeforums are the only sites I experience this on. I have purged history files, etc. When I am having the problem, I can get to any other site I choose within seconds from a new window. And I don't mean major sites like eBay or amazon, but small ones like the 10/22 forum, Jack Weigand's site, or Benchrest Central. I know the problem is most likely within the pipe getting to/from the server and not the server itself. This is obvious due to the fact that it only occurs during prime-time. My question is - do the powers that be have any diagnostic tools on the server that can detect when a specific request is received and the pertinent pages/packets sent out? If so, maybe we could synchronize a time to see if the problem is occurring after the packets are sent or if the request and ack/nack are slow getting to the server. If not, I will be content to just live with it and log on to this site only during the oui hours of the morning. Please, no insults about how to fix my system. If the problem was on my end, then all sites should be slow. I have been in this business ever since Al Gore invented the Autovon system (have installed a few of those sites) and have a few hours under my belt diagnosing general network problems. However, I'm not up to snuff on diagnosing internet packet switching and TCP/IP problems.

August 28, 1999, 11:06 PM	#19
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	i am on with aol as an ISP on a mac G3 laptop with a 28.8 modem speed seems ok t1 at work is better but this is tolerable dZ

August 28, 1999, 11:44 PM	#20
Dennis Staff Emeritus Join Date: November 23, 1998 Location: a small forest in Texas Posts: 7,079	Mal H, No insults, buddy. I've been on TFL off and on all day since Thursday. (My wife's out of town - I can play BIG time!) I'm in the woods just north of San Antonio, TX and everything has been working fine. We even coaxed the local server up to 26.4MB! I have NO idea what's hurting you but it's between you and TFL somewhere. Honest!

August 29, 1999, 01:52 AM	#21
Sambonator Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 1999 Posts: 218	Loading up fine here, in Tustin, CA. on Cox@Home cablemodem.

August 29, 1999, 02:09 AM	#22
frogman6 Member Join Date: July 29, 1999 Posts: 86	no prob here in ca at 12:07 ------------------ frogman6

August 29, 1999, 07:12 AM	#23
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Mal- Spark's the only one that can respond to your questions about monitoring software for the Server. He usually pops in and out. Rich

August 29, 1999, 10:05 PM	#24
[email protected] Wise Guy Join Date: October 10, 1998 Posts: 665	According to my tests, the server is working fine. If you guys want to pony up $1500 for another 500mB of RAM, be my guest, that will really make the server scream... (Just kidding, of course). Anyhow, I monitor the server regularly, and it's doing just dandy. The problems with BladeForums.com are usually malicious in intent, not software problems, and they only affect BladeForums.com. Spark ------------------ Kevin Jon Schlossberg SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com www.bladeforums.com

September 1, 1999, 02:05 PM	#25
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	C'mon Spark, fess up. You tweaked something a couple of days ago, didn't you? Just kidding, I'm sure you would have mentioned it. Anyway my access is now back to what it was 3 weeks ago, 1 or 2 sec. loading times as opposed to 1 min. to 15 min. loading times. And it has been good for 3 days now. I changed nothing on my system so I highly suspect my ISP, Prodigy Internet, did something to fix it recently. It was very curious, however, that it was only TFL that showed the bad load times. It was so bad, I suspect lost packets instead of long latency. The Internet Weather Report never showed a major problem when it was acting up. Very curious. (No reply necessary.)