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Old December 14, 2017, 05:57 PM   #1
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pyrodex pellets no bullet

I read it somewhere can't find it again.Somebody said they shot Pyrodex or Triple 777 pellets with no bullet at either New Years or 4th of July as a sort of flaming firework.Anybody ever do it or see it?Not important just curious
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Old December 14, 2017, 06:54 PM   #2
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Good for starting grass fires when burning pellets are ejected from the barrel.
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Old December 14, 2017, 07:37 PM   #3
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Turns into an incindiary device.

Not with these two propellants but yes, they came flying out the barrel like little rockets. Even spirally due to the rifling. No harm but a waste of pellets and can see how they might start a fire. ......

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Old December 15, 2017, 08:01 AM   #4
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Never tried it myself. I use to use in my ROA blackpowder for light and sound effect on July 4.
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Old December 15, 2017, 12:58 PM   #5
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I had some Shockley's sugar cubes that were junk, and used 'em up this way. It actually is pretty neat to do it at night- they're like a Roman Candle. The cube burned bright red & burned up in midair. But I only did it when the gun needed cleaning anyway. Wasn't worth the effort otherwise.
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Old December 15, 2017, 07:47 PM   #6
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Have a pellet or two land on your neighbors roof while He's looking. Someone's likely to see & feel more fireworks than He bargained for.
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Old December 16, 2017, 09:57 AM   #7
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Whatever you do, be safe. No need to start a wildfire or to reenact the burning of Rome.
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Old December 16, 2017, 10:40 AM   #8
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Don't know if I'll try it or not was just wondering.Don't have to worry about neighbors.
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Old December 16, 2017, 10:47 AM   #9
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Speaking of grass fires, I have a, sort of, related question.

Until I just started playing with my new flintlock I've never use cotton patches in muzzle loading. The patches are coated with grease.

Last night I was laying in bed thinking about the chances of that patch starting a grass fire.

Is it common or is the black powder grease non flammable?
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Old December 16, 2017, 11:11 AM   #10
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Good question but not likely

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Is it common or is the black powder grease non flammable?
This is a fair question and in my experience is that, you have very little to worry about. Whenever I shoot or teach a class, I read the patches and mostly show some carbon stain. I have never seen "any" signs of burning. The outer edges will get frayed and even they show no burning. When I say that I read patches, I look for a number of things that help me diagnose and potential problems. I do the same to sabots. Not saying that it's impossible, just not likely. .....

There are a number of ways to lube a patch and the most common is a basic mixture of Tallow which supposed to be the "inside" fat of an animal which is not a volatile substance. By the time it leaves the bore and flies through the are, I don't think it even gets hot enough to ignite. I have seen propellant start a fire but never a patch. .....

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Old December 16, 2017, 02:11 PM   #11
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I have seen smoldering patches but it is usually from not enough lube. My Hawken patches will fray around the edges and scorch in the center but I never had one burn through or smolder.
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Old December 18, 2017, 07:31 PM   #12
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50 years ago give or take i was along with my older brother when he shot his 1st muzzle loader. We started 2 fires with it that day and of course we thought the patch did it and the fires were 20-30 ft from the muzzle, but perhaps the propellant did it like Pahoo posted??
I have shot lots of muzzle loaders since and never seen it again.
Captain, if you are just plinking try a spit patch.
I do and i can shoot all afternoon (and that will also mean days and days) without needing to swab the bore as the spit patch does double duty.
My biggest problem is having a patch in my mouth triggers a gag reflex most of the time.
And for 4th of July parade i load 70 grains of 3f and a patch and join in the volley with my smoke pole.
Only Black will discharge like this.
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