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Shortwave has it pretty much well put.
I do gun hunt... But I could argue that any one that kills from a distance is a lazy slob hunter... Only those of us who physically restrain and hogtie live animals is a real hunter? We should just respect each others pursuit of hunting satisfaction so long as it is legal. http://www.printfection.com/hogdogs-...Sle/_p_6544201 But this is the first design in my new entrepreneurial enterprise. Keep an eye out... in no time at all, I will be loading up with all sorts of outdoor, huntin. fishin' and shooting related stuff... Brent |
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Some of yall are taking this reality (not reality) show too serious....They catch hogs and such....Thats why folks are watchin (note what others have said)....Lighten up....Many of the deer huntin shows are huntin high fence and small property.....They won't say and won't show the fence tho.....
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This isn't a locker room, fellas.
It's a HUNTING forum on a FIREARMS board. If you have thoughts and/or comments of another nature pertaining to members of the show's cast, or their attributes, keep them to yourselves.
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what dog breeds do best at hog hunting?
Christie's dog looks a little like a Rhodesian Ridgeback.
I've seen all sorts of different breeds used for hog hunting. There are all sorts of specialized breeds, fox hounds for fox hunting, Bluetick Coonhound for racoons, Rhodesian Ridgeback for hunting lions, etc.. I've never heard of a specialized breed of hog hound, but have seen a lot of YouTubers employ the big muscular bull type dogs... like the American Staffordshire Terrier Is there one breed that does the best, or are there different breeds within a hunting pack that perform different functions? Like a blood hound type dog to track them and the bull terrier type dog to engage them? |
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For finding/baying dogs, several breeds are good for specific traits...
Variations in terrain, land parcel size, hog behavior as well as hunting styles cause us to seek certain breeds/crosses for different uses... Catahoula curr Black mouth curr Yellow black mouth curr Mountain Curr Plott Hound All of these come to mind right off the top... Some folks even use Jack Russel and feist type dogs... One thing that is a sure bet... The dog has to be what we call "gritty"... Many dogs with a superior nose are out there but when the hog bumps them, they head for the safety of the dog box. There are some specialized crosses of late as well... Bird dog X Pitbull= a "Running catch dog with a good bit of nose" will catch most hogs solo but may bay a big or mean fighter. May try to catch the hog on command... Any of the above "currs" crossed to a dog from catch dog lines= A curr that may lose a little "nose" (debatable) but will try most any hog if the breeding went as planned. For catch dogs, we have some flexibility too but most of us have very strict standards they must attain consistently to be a catch dog... For me I will not accept the following... Sizing up the hog... Just get in there and catch. Re-biting... A dog that lets go to get another bite is gonna get someone hurt and it won't be me... Unabated dog aggression... No explanation required. "curring out"... this is when a dog decides that catching is too risky and stops the catch to any degree. The bull dogs a real hogger seeks out will not be from any show lines. Most of us have a line on replacements from "working lines". I prefer a pit crossed to an american bulldog as they catch well and are easier to train to "handle"... An amped up bulldog on the lead in the woods can be a stressful exercise in futility... Brent |
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Thanks Brent
I didn't know that the Catahoula Cur is also called the Catahoula Hog Dog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catahoula_Cur Plott Hounds are boar hunters used in Germany in the 1700s, named after Johannes Plott who brought them here from Germany in 1750. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plott_Hound The Plott article seems to reference a failed attempt to cross breed the Catahoula (Leopard Dog) with the Plott Hound. The Mountain Cur seems to be the burliest of the the breeds - maybe the closest to a bull dog in build. But the accounts of the Plott Hounds being ferocious fighters are pretty incredible. It doesn't seem like the women on the show have very good dogs. I've seen those YouTube videos of 5 or 6 guys who take hogs with the thermal optics and all that. Are you saying dogs can take more hogs than those types of hunts? . |
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You really don't need fancy optics, hogs are easily recognized by gait alone. Once you've picked one out a quick bump with a red spotlight, typically one pig per gun. The most effective means is with dogs, that's how all of the pros do it.
Gun hunting and traps are an effective ways to deter pigs for a few weeks, but if you have assets that interest them. They will return. BTW Brent, do you have any shirts for us gunners? LOL "one dies, the rest fly!" That's a good slogan....
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Quote:
Folks with various thermal, NV, or regular optics are much more apt to lose a wounded hog in the woods than doggers would lose.
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Night huntin' with NVG and guns has potential to take incredible numbers but it fails to pressure the survivors.
That is one huge factor with utilizing dogs. Keeping the hogs running leaves less time for feeding and breeding. With less stressful methods, you just remove food competition which promotes maximized breeding efforts. And NO these TV shows all have had nothin' but junk dogs. My first dog was better than any of these culls... They couldn't find a fart in a closet if they made it them self... And not a one of their catch dogs has shown what a good bulldog does... Mine head in full speed, slam into the bugger with and audible thud while getting a solid ear or jaw clamp and hang on for the ride until we physically remove them. Maybe they consider serious dogs too graphic or something... Brent |
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My shop is literally days away from being able to take off... I will use that slogan or something similar. One will be "BLACK HOG DOWN" with cross hairs on the pig.
I will be lookin' for both phrase ideas as well as graphics ideas and pics to convert to art... I hope to avoid all types of clip art... For instance, I can convert a pic of a deer head mount to a silhouette or painting etc and someone will know that their pic was the basis... Brent |
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Hog Dogs
Better copywrite those slogans - anyone can steal them, if you don't.
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MJR., Most of these I wouldn't feel I invented so nothing to copywrite/right 'cept the actual art design which is already CR by rules...
If I do one with what I feel I created... you can bet yer bottom dollar and a cat poo outa the litter box that I will secure it as well as possible... and let me see a "Hollywood Hogger" wearing a bootleg copy... Brent |
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come to my place and bring yer dogs or anyone else that wants to exterminate some pigs...ill even drag off the dead ones...ill be outta the cattle biz by spring cuz i wont have any pasture left. trapping aint catchin em..to many coons i guess...
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Diesel, Assuming you were serious, I started a thread on a hog dogger forum...
If you want a sho-nuff real hog dogger to help, I reckon it can begin by the end of the week... Get me a PM with email/phone etc... Brent |
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I've been hunting hogs with dogs for 20 years, believe me the guy from Texas (and his wife) on that hog hunting reality show are the laughing stock among hog hunters here in Texas. Not one single 'hog dogger' I know (and I know A LOT) thinks they are anything but silly. It is pretty funny, actually, but a little embarrassing since they are representing Texas, and are basically hog hunting idiots.
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While still very polite... Rex puts it well regarding the hollywood hog doggers...
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I recently found out that the Great Dane was originally breed to be a wild boar hound.
I don't think there are any other pure breed hunting dogs specifically breed for that purpose. The show in question has all the things I dislike about reality TV. |
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Buzzcook, research the Dogo Argentino. It is a breed of dog that i raise. They come from Argentina and were specifically created for hunting wild boar and puma. I have used cur dogs of various breeds, and pit bulls. The Dogo is purpose 'built' for hog hunting and is what I have upgraded to.
The modern great dane is nothing like the great dane that was used for boar hunting. If you read up on it, it is gigantic now compared to when it was actually bred for it's original purpose. |
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Rex, you may have heard of a couple dogo guys I know of... Oly Rivera (fla) and a Marvin (La.) both hunt their dogs...
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happen to know james that lives in myakka and works for the manatee county?
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Hogodogs,
Yea, I know those guys. Been friends with Oly for years. I used to hang out on hog hunting message boards from the late 90's - mid 2000's but got tired of the constant drama. I keep to the gun related forums now. Got tired of having the same old arguments with every new batch of instant internet hog dogging experts that came along, over and over and over. At least on these gun message boards it is different arguments with instant internet experts! haha Tall Oly that MAC from Los Cazadores Dogos says hey.. |
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When I researched the Plott Hound, there were references that it was bred specifically to hunt wild boar.
It was only later when they came to America (and got the name Plott), that they were also used to hunt bear and coon. So I think the Plott Hound counts as a dog bred specifically for hogs. It just happened to see use in hunting bear and racoons also. Last edited by C0untZer0; December 5, 2011 at 04:18 PM. |
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The Dogo Argentino looks so much like the American Bulldog, I may have been seeing Dogo Argentinos on the various YouTube videos mistaking them for bull dogs / pit bull mixes.
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C0untZer0, only superficially.
They are designed for running/hunting with riders on horseback, and in person are a quite a bit leggier, and deeper in the chest. Have the blocky head and muscled up shoulders in common, which is what most people notice. |
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The Dogo Argentino is a beautiful dog. First one I ever saw was in my yard and put me back in my truck when I got out to run him off. He was a brindle with nothing but head,teeth and muscle. Looked like a pitbull on steroids. I reached through the slider window feeling for the machete I had put in the back to take to work and sharpen but couldn't find it and watch dog at same time. Didn't have my pistol.
He stood outside my truck snarling,slobbering and showing his fangs for a good ten minutes before meandering off through the woods. After some talking to the neighbors, found out he came from a farm two ridges over. The guy raises them so I made a trip to his place. Didn't want to gripe but to see more of the dogs. They were friendly at his place and with five on the premises, don't think he had to worry about any prowlers. The adult male(the brindle which was at my house) was absolutely massive. Even bigger then I remembered. Coarse, I was outside my truck petting him at this time(after owner assured me I'd be ok) , telling the owner what had happened. He apologized,said he wasn't aware dog had been loose and told me they are a very territorial, protective breed. I didn't tell him if I would have got to that machete, I was going to cut his head off. Glad it turned out as it did. He had two adult females and two 3/4 grown pups. Come to find out, the male brindle was actually climbing the kennel chain link fence to get out. Owner had to chain link in the top of kennel. Apparently, they are good climbers also. Last edited by shortwave; December 5, 2011 at 08:00 PM. |
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