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Old November 15, 2017, 06:39 PM   #51
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You're right.

But where folks might get the idea that these cartridges have general energy parity is when cherry-picking certain loads to compare, ... say, Winchester's 10mm 175gn STHP at an alleged 1290fps/649fpe to the Winny .41 Mag STHP at 1250fps/607fpe.

Haven't checked Winny's 41 mag ST load lately, so they could've changed it.
I agree. Strange loads by the factories are nothing new.

I'm not sure why I care. I guess it's because people are chasing these blazing hot 10mm loads and can achieve better for less in the 41 Mag. Not in an Auto loader of course but this is about revolvers....

I don't see the point but some people say the same about my Model 625JM in 45 Auto.

More the merrier...
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Old November 15, 2017, 07:13 PM   #52
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It was cheap & easy for S&W to engineer the cylinders of L-frame 610s for use with full moon clips. Why is it suddenly not cheap & easy for Ruger to do it on a GP-100 frame?

C'mon, dude, it ain't rocket science ....
The S&W model 610 is a N frame.

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Old November 15, 2017, 07:48 PM   #53
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Hmmmm a .41 Magnum with no rim and less power......
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Old November 15, 2017, 07:48 PM   #54
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The Ruger RedHawk and the Ruger Super RedHawk are pretty much the same weight. My RSRH is in .454 Casull, I'm glad it's heavy. I hunt antelope, deer and elk with mine. I just don't get why anyone would want a RSRH in 10mm. I have a S&W mountain gun in 41 magnum, it's just right in that caliber with a 4" bbl. 10mm is best suited to plastic guns IMO.
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Old November 15, 2017, 09:53 PM   #55
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The S&W model 610 is a N frame.
You're correct. Thanks for catching that.
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Old November 15, 2017, 10:00 PM   #56
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* * * I have a S&W mountain gun in 41 magnum, it's just right in that caliber with a 4" bbl. 10mm is best suited to plastic guns IMO
You could say the .45acp is best suited to the 1911-platform, but surprisingly, S&W went ahead and produced a run of the 4" bbl Mountain Guns in .45acp, fed with moonclips, just like with the 625s.

Oddly, though, Smith never issued the MG in 10mm/.40S&W, which would have been a bit handier, IMO, than my old 6.5" 610.
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Old November 16, 2017, 09:06 PM   #57
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If one accepts 10mm as a hunting round for thin skinned game, and using .40 for plinking is doable then this gun makes more sense than say that .45c/.45acp redhawk combo.



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Old November 16, 2017, 10:05 PM   #58
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If one accepts 10mm as a hunting round for thin skinned game, and using .40 for plinking is doable then this gun makes more sense than say that .45c/.45acp redhawk combo.
Except that a 45 Colt is a MUCH better hunting round than a 10mm.....IMO of course.
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Old November 17, 2017, 09:41 AM   #59
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^ I agree but that gun seems to have accuracy issues when it comes to .45acp


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Old November 17, 2017, 02:47 PM   #60
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I agree but that gun seems to have accuracy issues when it comes to .45acp.
Yeah, I saw some of those complaints.

But worse was Ruger's decision to use proprietary .45acp moon clips, rather than the same moon clips that work in the S&W .45acp revolvers, like the 625s.

I hope Ruger doesn't do the same thing with this 10mm/.40 SRH. An owner should be able to use the same 10mm moon clips he used, or could've used, in the S&W 610.
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Old November 17, 2017, 05:07 PM   #61
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Yeah, I saw some of those complaints.

But worse was Ruger's decision to use proprietary .45acp moon clips, rather than the same moon clips that work in the S&W .45acp revolvers, like the 625s.

I hope Ruger doesn't do the same thing with this 10mm/.40 SRH. An owner should be able to use the same 10mm moon clips he used, or could've used, in the S&W 610.
Firstly, the accuracy with .45 ACP is fine out to 25 yards and it seems to depend greatly on what ammo you shoot. Federal Aluminum? Awful past 15 yards, keyholes actually. PPU? Great.

As for the moon clips, Ranch Moon makes them, 8 pack for $8 on Midway. They're tough as hell to pull the empty cases out, but going in they're fine. I'm going to experiment with them and cut a slot in between each clip like Ruger does and see if it makes it any easier to remove the cases.

I have no doubts Ruger will continue to make proprietary clips for their revolvers. $5 for a Ruger clip when it costs them less than a dollar to make equals a lot of profit.
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Old November 17, 2017, 07:04 PM   #62
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I have a 610 and only shoot bunny fart 40's out of it for steel plates. I would think that an rsr would be a blast to mount a scope on a play with all kinds of hand loads.
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Old November 18, 2017, 06:45 AM   #63
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As for the moon clips, Ranch Moon makes them, 8 pack for $8 on Midway. They're tough as hell to pull the empty cases out
That's what the removal tool is for.
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Old November 18, 2017, 05:01 PM   #64
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I know that, I just like being free from having all this paraphernalia around when fingers can do just fine if the clips are designed a certain way.

That's why I'm gonna experiment with modifying the Ranch clips.
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Old November 18, 2017, 05:44 PM   #65
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Rimz moon clips are much easier to load n unload.
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Old November 19, 2017, 02:46 PM   #66
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Did they have some kind of Blackhawk 10mm convertible? That would be the one I would like.

I prefer big heavy revolvers, but they charge more for new Redhawks than I would ever pay for a firearm. If I saw a used one for really cheap I would buy it, just because I would like to try that cartridge out and I prefer revolvers to autoloaders.
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Old November 19, 2017, 03:05 PM   #67
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Yes they had the buckeye it was a special run. I have wanted one for a very long time they are going for 1200 to 1500
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Old November 19, 2017, 04:25 PM   #68
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It is one of my favorites and a big part of why I noticed when Ruger introduced the SBH in 10mm. It is definitely the nicest blued Ruger I ever seen. The 10mm works well in a semi-automatic but it has even better numbers in a revolver.

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