need help identifing a rifle

tchunter · January 18, 2011, 02:02 PM

I have an old military style rifle and no knowledge of them. This gun has a number stamped in three different places. The number starts with a backwards capital N followed by capital R. Ill get a couple pics but any info would be helpful. Thanks guys

James K · January 18, 2011, 02:25 PM

I suppose a backward "R" could be a Cyrillic letter, but we need a lot more information than that.

Jim

Winchester_73 · January 18, 2011, 02:44 PM

Looks like we have ruled out a handgun given the info

We need pics, but at the very least....

All markings
caliber
barrel length
action type

We need you to help us help you

James K · January 18, 2011, 03:07 PM

No disrespect to tchunter, but those "I gotta thingee that somebody said might be a gun of some kind, what is it and what is it worth. I would like the names of everyone who worked on it and owned it" postings do present a challenge.

Jim

tchunter · January 18, 2011, 03:29 PM

Sorry about the lack of info. I also just realized a typo on my first post. Its a backward N then cap R. Yea jim, it was a shot in the dark but the gun has no other writing or information on it. A better question would be to ask if there is a way I can determin what caliber it is. I don't have much knowledge of rifles so if there is something I can look for on the gun that would help out let me know. All I realy want to do is shoot it, not so much find out its history. Sorry for the inconvinience and thank you for your time.

magnumPi · January 18, 2011, 04:38 PM

use the force, fellow forumites... see the gun in your mind

there is no try, only do.

Buzzcook · January 18, 2011, 05:09 PM

Bolt action? weight? Rifle length? Barrel length? Barrel band or not? Where are the markings? Besides the backwards n and r what are the other marks or numbers and how are they sequenced.

Google says the backwards N is Cyrillic for ee.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5150718AAVvDcK

So I'm betting Mosin.

tchunter · January 18, 2011, 06:33 PM

The gun is bolt action, It has an 18 inch barrel, and upon further investigation I found a stamp that says 1941. Above the numbers it has a stamp that resembles the ruger logo. Below it a triangle with something inside it. I Thank you

30-30remchester · January 18, 2011, 06:46 PM

Sporerized 91/30 Mosin Nagant

tchunter · January 18, 2011, 06:55 PM

Thank you .30-30 , what ammo would that gun shoot?

emcon5 · January 18, 2011, 07:00 PM

Assuming it wasn't messed with, 7.62 X 54R.

tchunter · January 18, 2011, 07:42 PM

I would like to thank everyone for their help. Between all the knowledge here and my own bumbling research I learned a lot today. Thanks again for you time!

**44 AMP** · January 20, 2011, 11:40 PM

The finger groove and the visible grip portion of the stock indicate the original stock, with the forend cut short to lighten the rifle.

Cutting down the stock and discarding the handguard, barrels bands and any "excess" metal and wood is the simplest and most common "sporterizing", and about the only thing usually done to Moisin Nagants, prior to the last couple decades when sporting stocks scope mounts and other accessories became common.

James K · January 20, 2011, 11:50 PM

When buying ammo, make sure it is 7.62x54R, a case about 2 1/8 inches long with a rim. Don't get 7.62x39, also a Russian round, but shorter and smaller.

Most of that ammo on the market is old surplus and is corrosive primed, so clean the barrel good after firing it.

Edited to add. If you fire that 18" barrel rifle, PLEASE use both ear plugs and muffs, plus shooting glasses; the muzzle blast will really rock!

Jim

adrians · January 22, 2011, 10:37 AM

bubbered 91/30

January 18, 2011, 02:02 PM	#1
tchunter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Location: Decatur, MI Posts: 113	need help identifing a rifle I have an old military style rifle and no knowledge of them. This gun has a number stamped in three different places. The number starts with a backwards capital N followed by capital R. Ill get a couple pics but any info would be helpful. Thanks guys Last edited by tchunter; January 18, 2011 at 03:30 PM.

January 18, 2011, 02:44 PM	#3
Winchester_73 Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 2,863	Looks like we have ruled out a handgun given the info We need pics, but at the very least.... All markings caliber barrel length action type We need you to help us help you __________________ Winchester 73, the TFL user that won the west

January 18, 2011, 07:42 PM	#12
tchunter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Location: Decatur, MI Posts: 113	thank you I would like to thank everyone for their help. Between all the knowledge here and my own bumbling research I learned a lot today. Thanks again for you time!

January 20, 2011, 11:40 PM	#13
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,817	The finger groove and the visible grip portion of the stock indicate the original stock, with the forend cut short to lighten the rifle. Cutting down the stock and discarding the handguard, barrels bands and any "excess" metal and wood is the simplest and most common "sporterizing", and about the only thing usually done to Moisin Nagants, prior to the last couple decades when sporting stocks scope mounts and other accessories became common. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

January 18, 2011, 02:25 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I suppose a backward "R" could be a Cyrillic letter, but we need a lot more information than that. Jim

January 18, 2011, 03:07 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	No disrespect to tchunter, but those "I gotta thingee that somebody said might be a gun of some kind, what is it and what is it worth. I would like the names of everyone who worked on it and owned it" postings do present a challenge. Jim

January 18, 2011, 03:29 PM	#5
tchunter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Location: Decatur, MI Posts: 113	Sorry about the lack of info. I also just realized a typo on my first post. Its a backward N then cap R. Yea jim, it was a shot in the dark but the gun has no other writing or information on it. A better question would be to ask if there is a way I can determin what caliber it is. I don't have much knowledge of rifles so if there is something I can look for on the gun that would help out let me know. All I realy want to do is shoot it, not so much find out its history. Sorry for the inconvinience and thank you for your time.

January 18, 2011, 04:38 PM	#6
magnumPi Member Join Date: July 26, 2010 Posts: 66	use the force, fellow forumites... see the gun in your mind there is no try, only do.

January 18, 2011, 05:09 PM	#7
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	Bolt action? weight? Rifle length? Barrel length? Barrel band or not? Where are the markings? Besides the backwards n and r what are the other marks or numbers and how are they sequenced. Google says the backwards N is Cyrillic for ee. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5150718AAVvDcK So I'm betting Mosin.

January 18, 2011, 06:46 PM	#9
30-30remchester Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2009 Location: mountains of colorado Posts: 977	Sporerized 91/30 Mosin Nagant

January 18, 2011, 06:55 PM	#10
tchunter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Location: Decatur, MI Posts: 113	Thank you .30-30 , what ammo would that gun shoot?

January 18, 2011, 07:00 PM	#11
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Assuming it wasn't messed with, 7.62 X 54R.

January 20, 2011, 11:50 PM	#14
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	When buying ammo, make sure it is 7.62x54R, a case about 2 1/8 inches long with a rim. Don't get 7.62x39, also a Russian round, but shorter and smaller. Most of that ammo on the market is old surplus and is corrosive primed, so clean the barrel good after firing it. Edited to add. If you fire that 18" barrel rifle, PLEASE use both ear plugs and muffs, plus shooting glasses; the muzzle blast will really rock! Jim

January 22, 2011, 10:37 AM	#15
adrians Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2010 Location: mountain view ,ar. Posts: 184	bubbered 91/30