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Old October 1, 2022, 09:26 AM   #51
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The .45 ACP, for me, has two outstanding platforms:
1. the 1911-A1
2. the Glock Slimline G36

One an all steel workhorse, the other an outstanding CCW.

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Old October 1, 2022, 11:23 AM   #52
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Old October 1, 2022, 12:05 PM   #53
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I don't consider a round, or a gun "dead" until there aren't any more to be had, at all. And even then, sometimes the dead rise again, somewhat.
I think when you can't buy new guns or ammo in the caliber, it's pretty much dead. Try to find a gun in .38ACP. or .41AE. You might be able to occasionally find some custom ammo maker cranking out .38ACP in by the box quantities, but you're going to be totally out of luck with .41AE.
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I think this is really more about caliber, more than specific gun models.
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And even then, sometimes the dead rise again, somewhat.

How about the .45-70? declared dead long, long ago, then it got a new lease on life with its centennial and has been in production ever since and that will be 50 years ago, next year!
Yup, a caliber can definitely die and then later come back to life if the gun/ammo makers crank up production again.
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Old October 2, 2022, 06:46 AM   #54
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Is the .45 dead?

Last I checked it is the second most popular handgun round in the US right after 9mm.

People like to say .40 is dead yet it is still the third most popular round after .45.

So no. It's far from dead.
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Old October 2, 2022, 06:58 AM   #55
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I will die before my 1911a1 fails and my 45acp ammo runs out. i will be giving whats left to someone else for the next generation to enjoy...and the gun.
It wont die.
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Old October 3, 2022, 10:04 AM   #56
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Old October 3, 2022, 11:08 AM   #57
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Is the 45 dead?

Not according to my grandson. He's shot nothing but Glocks and M&P (9mm & 40sw). I put him behind an old Kimber and he made the steel plates jump around - nows he's in love with the platform. I may finally finish off my old stock of 45aco hard cast.
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Old October 3, 2022, 08:10 PM   #58
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The bottom line is this; The 45 ACP will be declared obsolete (dead) when the 1911 pistol in it's various forms is declared obsolete (dead)

And I'm quite certain that WE will all be obsolete (dead) before this happens.
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Old October 4, 2022, 08:25 AM   #59
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The bottom line is this; The 45 ACP will be declared obsolete (dead) when the 1911 pistol in it's various forms is declared obsolete (dead)

And I'm quite certain that WE will all be obsolete (dead) before this happens.
And maybe not even then.

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Old October 4, 2022, 02:09 PM   #60
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Is the 45 acp "dead"?

Oh, Please.
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Old October 7, 2022, 01:27 AM   #61
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I enjoy the 1911. Its too big for a daily carry but still a nice gun to have.
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Old October 7, 2022, 11:06 AM   #62
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In my life the .45 ACP round has occupied an important niche at the range and as a self-defense option. Nothing has changed for me that would dislodge that round from its niche..
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Old October 8, 2022, 09:49 AM   #63
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Dying? Hell I just bought me a new ZIG m45 Carry.
Shot 80 rnds so far. And yes .45acp is high...
I do load for a .45acp revolver and it works nice for that, not sure if this 1911 style auto will do with it, maybe after some wear...
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Old October 8, 2022, 11:47 PM   #64
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Old October 9, 2022, 07:45 AM   #65
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No, it is not dead, or dying. Its still a viable self defense cartridge imho. I am planning to add a 45 back to my collection in the near future.
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Old October 9, 2022, 08:19 PM   #66
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Guns in 45 ACP tend to be more expensive in both new and used format. Ammo is always more expensive than 9mm or .40 due to material cost and maybe economies of scale.

This will lead new gun owners to prefer a 9mm since it is cheaper to acquire and the ammo is cheaper, all things being equal.

Most production .45 ammo is subsonic out of the box. You get better capacity with 9mm.

Just checked ammo seek and 45 is about double 9mm for the cheapest offereing. Maybe not a huge deal when 9mm is $8/box and 45 is $15/box but it becomes significant at $12 vs $25 for new stuff.
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Old October 9, 2022, 09:33 PM   #67
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This will lead new gun owners to prefer a 9mm since it is cheaper to acquire and the ammo is cheaper, all things being equal.
Perhaps, but all things are not equal and there are people who buy guns that aren't the cheapest things they could get.
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Old October 11, 2022, 11:25 AM   #68
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I have seen the slip in 45acp as well. I feel that much of that has to do with ammo prices and that 45acp (in my area) is more expensive than 9mm
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Old October 11, 2022, 05:05 PM   #69
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There are a lot of articles in the gun mags about the upgraded 9mm Ammo's, also there are a lot of firearm Mfg's bringing out new 9mm stricker fired handguns in full Medium small and Micro sizes.

This has pushed their sales along with the price of the 9mm Ammo.

Not to fear there also are a lot of new 1911's being Mfg.ed but the push is in 9mm and 10 mm not 45acp, but they are not dropping the .45s.
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Old October 12, 2022, 05:12 AM   #70
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Old October 12, 2022, 02:37 PM   #71
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Ammo is always more expensive than 9mm or .40 due to material cost and maybe economies of scale.
Not always the case when I got my first .45ACP. But that was when .38/.357 were more the norm for police and there weren't as many 9mm pistols in use.

So yes, economy of scale. Used to be .45 was as cheap or cheaper than 9mm just because there was more made.

Just like .32ACP is way more expensive than 9mm even though it uses less material; not as much made.
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Old October 12, 2022, 03:53 PM   #72
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If Magazine capacity restrictions pass, 45 will become king again.
As well as S&W 357 snubs..............
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Old October 12, 2022, 05:15 PM   #73
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38 specials and .45acp

The .45 is as dead as the .38. It was an effective firearm for its time and will be around as a result. The demand has fallen because there are shooters chasing around the 9mm bandwagon and 10mm bandwagon.
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Old October 12, 2022, 05:41 PM   #74
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Pretty sure I heard the .45acp was dead after 1983 …. the year the 10mm AUTO was introduced.
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Old October 12, 2022, 06:40 PM   #75
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The .45 is as dead as the .38. It was an effective firearm for its time and will be around as a result. The demand has fallen because there are shooters chasing around the 9mm bandwagon and 10mm bandwagon.
10mm -- maybe. The classic selling point for 9mm these days is "Modern bullet design now makes the 9mm almost as good as .45 ACP." To me that's akin to "Damned by faint praise," since it has been reliably reported that modern bullet design also applies to the .45 ACP. 9mm will always be playing catch-up, trying to be almost as good as .45 ACP.

10mm is possibly a more serious contender for being equal to .45 ACP in effectiveness. If I didn't already have a bunch of .45s I guess I might look at the 10mm -- but I do have some .45s, and I don't need any more guns at this point.
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