James Bond Needs a 1911-A1 - Page 2

jetinteriorguy · February 23, 2021, 07:14 PM

I think a GyroJet would have been very ‘Bond-esk’.

RetiredMajor · February 24, 2021, 07:49 PM

Yeah......um....no......Maybe a Kahr PM9.......

Alan0354 · February 24, 2021, 08:26 PM

No, not any miniature ones. Imagine in the movie, big James Bond pull out a pee shooter?!!! It just doesn't look right.

HighValleyRanch · February 24, 2021, 08:38 PM

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.Maybe a Kahr PM9.......

Uh oh, Kahr is a dirrty word around these folks!

But it was good enough for Jodie Foster in "The Brave One" and Samuel Jackson in "Shaft"!

Nanuk · February 24, 2021, 08:53 PM

The one spook I know carried a brace of Charter Arms bulldogs when "in country" They were cheap easily carried without a holster and could be easy dumped if need be.

Metric · February 24, 2021, 10:18 PM

Dump the PPK? Next thing you know, someone will want to make 007 into a woman.

Catchabullet · February 24, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Metric

Dump the PPK? Next thing you know, someone will want to make 007 into a woman.

..... You never know, they made ghost busters an abomination.

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Willie Lowman · February 27, 2021, 10:44 AM

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No, not any miniature ones. Imagine in the movie, big James Bond pull out a pee shooter?!!! It just doesn't look right.

What do you call the Walther he carries? its a .32?

Jack19 · March 8, 2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JERRYS.

heck, in Dr. No he used two different pistols in the same scene fighting the "dragon". LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iedK7wzunWo

Three, the PPK, a Hi-Power and a 1911.

CajunBass · March 20, 2021, 09:45 AM

He even used a Smith and Wesson Model 29 in "Live and Let Die."

That was during the Dirty Harry craze for the 44. Everyone had to have one.

FunGramps · March 20, 2021, 10:55 AM

That would be akin to Bond asking for his martinis "with whipped cream, not stirred."

TXAZ · March 20, 2021, 11:06 AM

I don’t believe most intelligence officers carry weapons while engaged in tradecraft.
That’s just another question to have to address if stopped and questioned.

There are parties that do wet work where guns are essential, but that’s a very small percentage in most services.

**44 AMP** · March 20, 2021, 05:09 PM

the Bond of the books and the Bond of the last couple decades movies are rather different characters.

The original was a "double 0" agent which meant he was a secret agent with a "license to kill" which meant that if he had to kill or create mayhem in the course of his mission his bosses were ok with that, he would not be charged under British law, and if caught in a "friendly" country he could count on official (behind the scenes) pressure and negotiation from his govt to get him out.

the original Bond also got his butt kicked, often, and sometimes to the point of needing significant time in the hospital. He often won a fight, but sometimes, he didn't.

The movies have turned Bond into an action hero, perhaps even a parody of an action hero, with their constant need for bigger more exciting and incredible stunts. One after another after another.

Bond could, and would use a 1911A1, but he would never have one for his EDC issue weapon.

CajunBass · March 21, 2021, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jetinteriorguy

I think a GyroJet would have been very ‘Bond-esk’.

I meant to reply to this yesterday, but forgot it. The Gyrojet did make an appearance in the Bond film, You only live twice. It was used by the Japanese secret commando unit in both rifle and handgun form.

See story.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/thi...o-730306edb6e3

JohnMoses · March 21, 2021, 07:32 AM

One of the best things about being a fictional character is that it does not matter the caliber or action type of your weapon. If the script says the 25 Berretta (or 22 AR7) takes out the helicopter, it will do the job.

Forte S+W · March 21, 2021, 08:45 AM

People are always arguing over what the next gun Bond ought to carry, often applying real-life logic to support their opinion. But factually speaking, Bond is a fictional character in a fictional universe where such logic need not apply, and in most films Bond really doesn't do all that much shooting anyway because James Bond is a Spy, and Spies are supposed to be sneaky, ergo it makes no sense for Bond to carry a big gun.

The Walther PPK makes sense for Bond because it's small, easily concealed, and looks good on camera. If Bond ends up in a gunfight and needs something more, then he generally ends up picking up an enemies weapon then using that.

There's no valid reason to replace Bond's sidearm. Folks can argue all they want that the PPK is outdated and out of style, but in many ways, so is everything else in 007 films, and do we really want that to change? Does anyone here want to see the Bond films drop the iconic theme because Big Band Swing music is long out of style in favor of more modern music? Does anyone want to see Bond abandon his suit, tie, and dress shoes in favor of more modern attire? Does anyone want to see a Bond film which opens with him attending a mandatory sensitivity class after being reported by Money Penny for sexual misconduct because his casual flirting made her feel uncomfortable?

Honestly, if you modernize Bond's carry gun, then you have to modernize everything else as well, and nobody wants that.

TunnelRat · March 21, 2021, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Forte S+W

People are always arguing over what the next gun Bond ought to carry, often applying real-life logic to support their opinion. But factually speaking, Bond is a fictional character in a fictional universe where such logic need not apply, and in most films Bond really doesn't do all that much shooting anyway because James Bond is a Spy, and Spies are supposed to be sneaky, ergo it makes no sense for Bond to carry a big gun.

The Walther PPK makes sense for Bond because it's small, easily concealed, and looks good on camera. If Bond ends up in a gunfight and needs something more, then he generally ends up picking up an enemies weapon then using that.

There's no valid reason to replace Bond's sidearm. Folks can argue all they want that the PPK is outdated and out of style, but in many ways, so is everything else in 007 films, and do we really want that to change? Does anyone here want to see the Bond films drop the iconic theme because Big Band Swing music is long out of style in favor of more modern music? Does anyone want to see Bond abandon his suit, tie, and dress shoes in favor of more modern attire? Does anyone want to see a Bond film which opens with him attending a mandatory sensitivity class after being reported by Money Penny for sexual misconduct because his casual flirting made her feel uncomfortable?

Honestly, if you modernize Bond's carry gun, then you have to modernize everything else as well, and nobody wants that.

That’s called the slippery slope fallacy. We can see it’s a fallacy because they have changed Bond’s pistol to the P99 and then back again, and I don’t remember the sensitivity class in the movies (maybe it’s in the deleted scenes).

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Forte S+W · March 21, 2021, 09:36 AM

Do I really need to point out that such was a deliberately extreme and exaggerated example of the logical progression of the modernization of the Bond franchise? No, I don't, much like how when attempting to make a convincing counter-argument one really shouldn't resort to feigning ignorance of such obvious nuances for lack of anything better in order to support their stance.

TunnelRat · March 21, 2021, 11:00 AM

I don’t need to feign ignorance. What you wrote originally matches up with real exaggerated claims and forms of argument that I see pretty often online. It came across as completely serious to me, especially with that last line separated from the others that argues modernization of one thing would require modernization of all (which was why I mentioned the slippery slope fallacy).

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CajunBass · March 22, 2021, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnMoses

One of the best things about being a fictional character is that it does not matter the caliber or action type of your weapon. If the script says the 25 Berretta (or 22 AR7) takes out the helicopter, it will do the job.

Exactly. When I was a youngster, and saw "From Russia with Love" for the very first time, that take down "sniper rifle" was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen. It didn't matter to me that it was just an AR-7 survival rifle in 22 LR, a fact that I didn't learn for years, it was just James Bond COOL. I think there was even a toy version of it on the market.

Oh. One other thing. The rifle didn't take down the helicopter. The passenger was tossing grenades at Bond. As the chopper hovered overhead, Bond hit the passenger, causing him to drop the grenade in his hand, onto the floor of the chopper. THAT took down the chopper.

I'm such a geek.

And Daniela Bianchi was the best "Bond Girl" ever. WOW.

SIGSHR · March 22, 2021, 07:42 AM

Yes, as I once heard William Shatner tell a fan at a convention
"Those are made up stories, folks."
The M1911 is too "American" for a British character. We would look askance at an American
character who carried a Webley. Or a Beretta.

great scot · March 23, 2021, 08:50 AM

Unfortunately, Bond’s gun has to satisfy some criteria that have nothing to do with utility. It has to have cache, but still look deadly and not like the pistol version of a Gucci purse. It has to be relatively expensive, so that an “Everyman” isn’t carrying one. It also has to have a cool name that rolls off the tongue. Q explains the virtues of the PPK, but not the Glock 19MOS. And, it has to have a trigger for menacing hammer cocking scenes. No Glock cocking permitted. Sorry guys, these are the rules, even if they don’t make a lot of sense.

gnystrom · March 25, 2021, 12:50 PM

How is he going to get twenty shots out of that gun without a mag change like he can from PPK?

February 24, 2021, 07:49 PM	#27
RetiredMajor Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2008 Location: Dubuque, Iowa Posts: 456	Yeah......um....no......Maybe a Kahr PM9....... __________________ RetiredMajor, NRA Certified Instructor Every day's a holiday and every meal's a feast!

February 24, 2021, 08:53 PM	#30
Nanuk Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2005 Location: Where the deer and the antelope roam. Posts: 3,082	The one spook I know carried a brace of Charter Arms bulldogs when "in country" They were cheap easily carried without a holster and could be easy dumped if need be. __________________ Retired Law Enforcement U. S. Army Veteran Armorer My rifle and pistol are tools, I am the weapon.

March 20, 2021, 09:45 AM	#35
CajunBass Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: North Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 4,767	He even used a Smith and Wesson Model 29 in "Live and Let Die." That was during the Dirty Harry craze for the 44. Everyone had to have one. __________________ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

March 20, 2021, 10:55 AM	#36
FunGramps Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2018 Location: Leftern Washington Posts: 240	That would be akin to Bond asking for his martinis "with whipped cream, not stirred." __________________ Finding a wise liberal is as easy as inventing perpetual motion.

March 20, 2021, 11:06 AM	#37
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I don’t believe most intelligence officers carry weapons while engaged in tradecraft. That’s just another question to have to address if stopped and questioned. There are parties that do wet work where guns are essential, but that’s a very small percentage in most services. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

February 23, 2021, 07:14 PM	#26
jetinteriorguy Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Posts: 3,176	I think a GyroJet would have been very ‘Bond-esk’.

February 24, 2021, 08:26 PM	#28
Alan0354 Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2021 Posts: 541	No, not any miniature ones. Imagine in the movie, big James Bond pull out a pee shooter?!!! It just doesn't look right.

February 24, 2021, 10:18 PM	#31
Metric Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2016 Posts: 344	Dump the PPK? Next thing you know, someone will want to make 007 into a woman.

March 20, 2021, 05:09 PM	#38
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	the Bond of the books and the Bond of the last couple decades movies are rather different characters. The original was a "double 0" agent which meant he was a secret agent with a "license to kill" which meant that if he had to kill or create mayhem in the course of his mission his bosses were ok with that, he would not be charged under British law, and if caught in a "friendly" country he could count on official (behind the scenes) pressure and negotiation from his govt to get him out. the original Bond also got his butt kicked, often, and sometimes to the point of needing significant time in the hospital. He often won a fight, but sometimes, he didn't. The movies have turned Bond into an action hero, perhaps even a parody of an action hero, with their constant need for bigger more exciting and incredible stunts. One after another after another. Bond could, and would use a 1911A1, but he would never have one for his EDC issue weapon. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

March 21, 2021, 07:32 AM	#40
JohnMoses Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2008 Posts: 197	One of the best things about being a fictional character is that it does not matter the caliber or action type of your weapon. If the script says the 25 Berretta (or 22 AR7) takes out the helicopter, it will do the job.

March 21, 2021, 08:45 AM	#41
Forte S+W Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2019 Posts: 819	People are always arguing over what the next gun Bond ought to carry, often applying real-life logic to support their opinion. But factually speaking, Bond is a fictional character in a fictional universe where such logic need not apply, and in most films Bond really doesn't do all that much shooting anyway because James Bond is a Spy, and Spies are supposed to be sneaky, ergo it makes no sense for Bond to carry a big gun. The Walther PPK makes sense for Bond because it's small, easily concealed, and looks good on camera. If Bond ends up in a gunfight and needs something more, then he generally ends up picking up an enemies weapon then using that. There's no valid reason to replace Bond's sidearm. Folks can argue all they want that the PPK is outdated and out of style, but in many ways, so is everything else in 007 films, and do we really want that to change? Does anyone here want to see the Bond films drop the iconic theme because Big Band Swing music is long out of style in favor of more modern music? Does anyone want to see Bond abandon his suit, tie, and dress shoes in favor of more modern attire? Does anyone want to see a Bond film which opens with him attending a mandatory sensitivity class after being reported by Money Penny for sexual misconduct because his casual flirting made her feel uncomfortable? Honestly, if you modernize Bond's carry gun, then you have to modernize everything else as well, and nobody wants that. __________________ Conspiracy theorists are the greatest political spin-doctors of all time. Only they can make the absolute worst political blunders sound like spectacular feats of ingenuity.

March 21, 2021, 09:36 AM	#43
Forte S+W Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2019 Posts: 819	Do I really need to point out that such was a deliberately extreme and exaggerated example of the logical progression of the modernization of the Bond franchise? No, I don't, much like how when attempting to make a convincing counter-argument one really shouldn't resort to feigning ignorance of such obvious nuances for lack of anything better in order to support their stance. __________________ Conspiracy theorists are the greatest political spin-doctors of all time. Only they can make the absolute worst political blunders sound like spectacular feats of ingenuity.

March 21, 2021, 11:00 AM	#44
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	James Bond Needs a 1911-A1 I don’t need to feign ignorance. What you wrote originally matches up with real exaggerated claims and forms of argument that I see pretty often online. It came across as completely serious to me, especially with that last line separated from the others that argues modernization of one thing would require modernization of all (which was why I mentioned the slippery slope fallacy). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; March 21, 2021 at 11:10 AM.

March 22, 2021, 07:42 AM	#46
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Yes, as I once heard William Shatner tell a fan at a convention "Those are made up stories, folks." The M1911 is too "American" for a British character. We would look askance at an American character who carried a Webley. Or a Beretta.

March 23, 2021, 08:50 AM	#47
great scot Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2006 Posts: 104	Unfortunately, Bond’s gun has to satisfy some criteria that have nothing to do with utility. It has to have cache, but still look deadly and not like the pistol version of a Gucci purse. It has to be relatively expensive, so that an “Everyman” isn’t carrying one. It also has to have a cool name that rolls off the tongue. Q explains the virtues of the PPK, but not the Glock 19MOS. And, it has to have a trigger for menacing hammer cocking scenes. No Glock cocking permitted. Sorry guys, these are the rules, even if they don’t make a lot of sense.

March 25, 2021, 12:50 PM	#48
gnystrom Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2006 Posts: 308	How is he going to get twenty shots out of that gun without a mag change like he can from PPK?