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Old April 9, 2021, 10:54 PM   #26
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About five years ago I decided I wanted to simplify my life. One of the things I decided to change was how I dressed. I went and bought 5 pairs of Wrangler Cargo pants and 5 camping shirts. I picked Wranglers because the phone pocket gave me a way to put my phone in the same place every time and because the cargo pockets were big enough to be useful without being too big. They actually worked so well I went out and bought 5 more pair in black for work.

I don't have to worry about what I'm going to wear. I grab the next set of clothes in my closet and roll.

Over the years I've noticed that wearing a uniform at work makes me anonymous. People notice the uniform, not me. I've actually run into client employees away from work and watched them try to figure out where they knew me from. I don't wear a uniform when I'm not at work but my clothes are similar enough that people really have no reason to to give me a second look. I'm a generic, middle aged, overweight, white guy in cargos and a fishing shirt. There are a million of me, nothing worth a moment's notice.

As for shoes, I have a 25 year old pair of Vasques hiking boots. They even have red shoe strings. Again, ubiquitous
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Old April 9, 2021, 11:23 PM   #27
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I had one more thought about clothing and being memorable. In one course I took we did a scenario in a shoot house where there was a home invasion. Each student went through it separately, but we were all recorded and watched the results together at the end (honestly I found this a great idea that isn’t always done with scenario based training, but I learned just as much if not more watching others as I did going through it myself).

At the end of the scenario was an interview similar to that of a responding officer. Part of the point was to see the impact adrenaline might have had on our memories and why when giving a summary you want to be careful of making very definitive statements. We were asked to describe our attacker. All 12 or so of us could remember the color of the attacker’s shirt. No one could remember his pants and at best we had a rough idea of his height (the attacker’s face was under a helmet due to UTM pistols). Now this is different than just observing a person because when we saw the actor he was already a threat, but I was still a bit surprised at how tunnel vision we had all become.

The instructor who had been a police officer for decades and a training officer for much of that said remembering just the shirt color was very common. He stated some criminals were actually smart enough to take advantage of this and would wear a different colored shirt under their main shirt. If/when the criminal fled they would shed the outer shirt and at least avoid the main part of the description.


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Old April 10, 2021, 12:32 AM   #28
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you either want to be gray or you don't.
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Old April 10, 2021, 02:26 AM   #29
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The instructor who had been a police officer for decades and a training officer for much of that said remembering just the shirt color was very common. He stated some criminals were actually smart enough to take advantage of this and would wear a different colored shirt under their main shirt. If/when the criminal fled they would shed the outer shirt and at least avoid the main part of the description.

I have read in a couple of biographies that Jesse James did the same thing. The gang would be dressed in ragged clothes while robbing the bank/train. Then they'd ride away and change into suits and ties.
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Old April 10, 2021, 09:38 AM   #30
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Over the years I've noticed that wearing a uniform at work makes me anonymous. People notice the uniform, not me. I've actually run into client employees away from work and watched them try to figure out where they knew me from.
Do you mean you wear a company uniform, or the clothes you've chosen?
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Old April 10, 2021, 10:07 AM   #31
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Do you mean you wear a company uniform, or the clothes you've chosen?
I wear a company uniform at work but I have some leeway. I have to wear a company issued uniform shirt with the company logo and the "Private Security" patch but the handbook only specifies "Black Cargo Pants" for my pants.

The black Wrangler Cargos are an approved substitute for the company issue pants
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Old April 11, 2021, 07:13 AM   #32
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Quite some time ago, I was driving through Virginia. Dropped by a friends place of work. He was an Instructor at the FBI Academy.

Everybody, Instructors, and students were wearing 511s! I bought a pair in tan.
I have worn them ever since. Size 38X30. Still at age 85, wearing them. With a neat white beard, and hair. My wife of 28 years, a seamstress, (a retired accountant too) stitches a seam right down the front of the legs. Looks like they were freshly just ironed. By the way still the same size 38X30.

Same 1" belt, a Frequent Flier no metal anywhere. Kydex outside the belt holster at around 3-30pm. On the offside, a $13.00 single Glock mag pouch, for the Glock 17 magazine, for a mag change for my Glock 19 night sighted pistol.

A Surefire very bright flashlight is next to that magazine. I don't like lights on pistols. Living in Florida a short-sleeved shirt, or Guyabara look local, no one seems to link the combination with LEO. 85-year-old Cop? Yea right.
Coupled with a very lovely older Lady on my arm. Like all CCW licensed people, I hope, I carry every day. Back to the 511s, I have black and green ones as well. On our last trip to Italy/England/Ireland, quite a few 511 type pants there also. Coach drivers liked the 511 Vests also.

Last but not least, a folding 3" Benchmade clipped to my pocket.
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FWIW, I wear jeans. I normally wear a white button-down-collar shirt. I always wear a cover garment; got two.
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Old April 15, 2021, 03:09 PM   #34
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I kinda like the Captain America suit.
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I kinda like the Captain America suit.
What about your Spider-Man Jammies?
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Old April 15, 2021, 11:47 PM   #36
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I have worn them ever since. Size 38X30. Still at age 85
Brit, you are the oldest person I know of that wears 511 pants. And usually the folks I meet in their 70's - 80's have a fondness for Buck knives and Case knives. Either the buck 110 or a little slip joint knife in a pocket.
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