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Nothing like a little CIA-style "import/export business" to keep the doors of a government agency open, eh?
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To me, the bigger question right now is this:
How do we get the media to pay attention to this? A couple of threads got killed as drive-by earlier today, but they linked to today's CNN article, which repeated the garbage about 70% of guns used by cartels coming from the US. Did CNN mention the gunrunner Congressional hearings? Nowhere that I could find. We all know this is going on. Fox, CBS, and the Huffington Post have provided occasional coverage. But how do we get in-depth coverage of what should be both a major adminstration scandal and a major public concern? Instead, CNN spews the party/DOJ/BATF-E line, and most other media are focused on "Weiner-Gate." It makes me want to use the kinds of words that get censored here... |
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Conspiracy to justify 2nd Ammendment regulations?
Did anyone else see this? That the administration may allowed Operation: Fast and Furious to proceed and fail so they could blame American gun stores and justify gun regulations? I am getting this sinking feeling, and I don't do conspiracy theories. If the report the investigation produces affirms this, what is the recourse of the American people? Is that what Obama meant by "under the radar"?
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I don't even have to read the article. How can any rational person think that this administration would NOT do such a thing?
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Whether or not it was the initial or primary intent, I am pretty sure they saw it as at least a bonus.
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Whether or not those were the intentions they had to know about the operation. They may try to use this for more gun control but like some of those people surrounding Obama said never let a crisis go to waste.
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I knew about the botched operation. But I had no idea the Congressional Oversight Committee had found anything to warrant this kind of accusation. I'm anxiously awaiting their report. I'm hoping this wasn't a deliberate plot to go after gun rights.
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Two substantially similar threads, merged.
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Don H wrote:
DoJ may wish to consider whether it has an alternate source of funding other than what Congress provides. --------------------------------------- The gentleman might have a point re DOJ's funding, especially should The Congress see fit to actually do something about the egregious excesses of executive branch powers it sometimes complains of. I guess that we shall see. |
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We'll likely see some mid-level management thrown to the wolves if this gets more traction, but getting further up the ladder will require some pretty dire evidence. And right now, the DoJ controls the flow of evidence.
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William La Jeunesse has been all over this and the new report released today is not pretty.
There is a video report at the linked page. SOURCE Quote:
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PDF Report released yesterday by Rep Issa and Sen Grassley: http://oversight.house.gov/images/st...ATF_Report.pdf
Highlights of the report include:
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More Fast and Furious testimony today!
OK, Monday was on the legalities of Congress's request for documents from DoJ. Today is going to be the main show. There will be the members of Brian Terry's family testifyting. Three cooperating ATF agents will testify. And finally, Ronald Welch ("the Agency did not allow guns into Mexico") will follow it all up. |
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Bart, is this also a 1 pm start time?
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1) Find a problem (gunrunning): Check 2) Exacerbate problem (Fast & Furious): Check 3) Make progress in "fixing problem" (massive gun bust, blame FFLs): No check 4) Use the progress as a basis for more regulation and more funding: No check. Micahweeks, if you haven't done so, go back and read some of the other documents and discussions in this thread. Even the BATFE's own documents indicate that they intended all along to allow guns & other implements of destruction to cross the border and that their own reputation (which is heavily linked to funding, politically) was one of the goals of this operation.
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It, definitely, will be interesting.
There are many times when I can look at both "sides" of a situation, and whether the spinner or the spinnee is reporting, I can follow the logic and even agree with the argument, to a point. This is NOT one of those times. Even if Agent Terry, hadn't been killed, this was just a DUMB idea. As if we don't already know where all the drugs are coming from. It had to have been to push an anti-gun agenda. It's the only one that makes sense. I hope the investigation into the investigation finds ALL the guilty ones.
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hogdogs, watching breitbart talk on cspan 3 right now, the bottom ticker says the hearings start at 10am eastern which is right... now.
edit... yep, it's starting. edit... 10:08 Eastern, Rep. Issa is giving an intro/overview. Is Elijah Cummings for real? In his opening remarks (ended 10:18 eastern), he just suggested that nobody knows what happened, and that maybe we need to take a critical look at our gun laws. If anyone is unfortunate enough to live in his Maryland district, maybe it would do some good to call his office and ask him to stop being disingenuous. Grassley on now. 10:23. "Agents said it was a bad idea, and gun dealers said it was a bad idea... Who thought it was a good idea?"
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lol...Oh, there is an on/off switch?
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I just spotted this on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/...ous/index.html
(I hope this doesn't count as a drive-by.) Edited to add a short description: This is the CNN coverage of the hearings that are about to take place, in which the relatives of Brian Terry are expected to testify. Here are the first two paragraphs, as posted by CNN. No challenge to copyright is intended. Quote:
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Drive - by rule is usually evoked for an OP. Adding a link that informs an ongoing discussion is legit, IMHO.
A short description of what the link is would be useful. Clip, article, hearing or whatever. No problem, though.
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Issa seems upset today.
Must be those black redacted pages. cspan3 http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/
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