Concealed carry way up and crime down.

g.willikers · May 29, 2017, 10:02 AM

Bonified results of crime vs concealed carry.
Show this to your anti gun acquaintances.
https://lewrockwell.com/2017/05/no_a...-gun-grabbers/

adamBomb · May 29, 2017, 10:41 AM

That is great but violent gun crime is down in general. For example, its also down in Australia where they banned guns. These are the kind of stats people pick and choose to prove their point. What they do show is that allowing CCW doesn't increase crime, which is where the gun lobby needs to focus.

Glenn E. Meyer · May 29, 2017, 11:39 AM

No, correlation is not causality as Adam said. Much literature on this.

There is one point that an increase in concealed carry was not seen with a large increase in crime and that the crime rate of licensed carriers is much lower than the general public and even police officers.

TailGator · May 29, 2017, 04:13 PM

I saw one claim that the crime rate among holders of concealed carry licenses was lower than that among nuns. Don't quote that one until I find the reference, but it stuck in my head because it was both telling and kind of amusing.

armoredman · May 30, 2017, 12:17 AM

I did hear CCW permit holders had a crime rate lower than some police officers, but I think that was a single year stat used by JPFO some years ago comparing Florida to Washington DC PD, IIRC. Can't remember.
Nuns, eh?Must be some pistolero packin' nun biker gangs I haven't heard about, to even SHOW a crime rate!

Bluecthomas · May 30, 2017, 01:15 AM

Must be getting your news somewhere different than me...

No large mass shootings yet this year.
But we did just have a mid sized killing spree... "Y'all supposed to killed me. I ran out of bullets."
7 humans killed in that.

Glenn E. Meyer · May 30, 2017, 09:55 AM

Since this has descended into nonsense, I'm closing it.

A note - TFL is not just about quips. If there is an issue about understanding regression analysis and criminological data - we'd like to keep it on that level. Just as Frank Ettin and Spats steer us away from home brewed interpretations of the law, some of us do know quite a bit about statistics. Thus, we would like to avoid comments such as the recent set.

May 29, 2017, 10:02 AM	#1
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Concealed carry way up and crime down. Bonified results of crime vs concealed carry. Show this to your anti gun acquaintances. https://lewrockwell.com/2017/05/no_a...-gun-grabbers/ __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

May 29, 2017, 11:39 AM	#3
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	No, correlation is not causality as Adam said. Much literature on this. There is one point that an increase in concealed carry was not seen with a large increase in crime and that the crime rate of licensed carriers is much lower than the general public and even police officers. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

May 30, 2017, 09:55 AM	#7
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Since this has descended into nonsense, I'm closing it. A note - TFL is not just about quips. If there is an issue about understanding regression analysis and criminological data - we'd like to keep it on that level. Just as Frank Ettin and Spats steer us away from home brewed interpretations of the law, some of us do know quite a bit about statistics. Thus, we would like to avoid comments such as the recent set. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

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May 29, 2017, 10:41 AM	#2
adamBomb Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2015 Location: coastal NC Posts: 645	That is great but violent gun crime is down in general. For example, its also down in Australia where they banned guns. These are the kind of stats people pick and choose to prove their point. What they do show is that allowing CCW doesn't increase crime, which is where the gun lobby needs to focus.

May 29, 2017, 04:13 PM	#4
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,787	I saw one claim that the crime rate among holders of concealed carry licenses was lower than that among nuns. Don't quote that one until I find the reference, but it stuck in my head because it was both telling and kind of amusing.

May 30, 2017, 12:17 AM	#5
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	I did hear CCW permit holders had a crime rate lower than some police officers, but I think that was a single year stat used by JPFO some years ago comparing Florida to Washington DC PD, IIRC. Can't remember. Nuns, eh?Must be some pistolero packin' nun biker gangs I haven't heard about, to even SHOW a crime rate!

May 30, 2017, 01:15 AM	#6
Bluecthomas Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2017 Posts: 102	Must be getting your news somewhere different than me... No large mass shootings yet this year. But we did just have a mid sized killing spree... "Y'all supposed to killed me. I ran out of bullets." 7 humans killed in that.