I love my trapdoor so much.... - Page 2

Captainkirk · March 10, 2013, 10:00 PM

Nice work, Doc!

James K · March 10, 2013, 11:37 PM

The receiver and breechblock are already case hardened; trying to color them (which is what I assume you mean) will actually soften them.

Jim

Doc Hoy · March 11, 2013, 06:01 AM

Bought a stock last night.

As regards the finish on the rifle I am thinking I will blue the whole thing, receiver and all.

I know....I know, the good looking case hardening on the recent TD replicas sure is pretty.

I like the rubbed metal on my present one. There was no collector value in the rifle at all and that will be true of the one I am building.

We shall see.

mykeal · March 11, 2013, 06:41 AM

You mean you're not going to sign it?

Doc Hoy · March 11, 2013, 07:09 AM

....Never had to learn it because none of my acquaintences are deaf.

Well, I do know one sign which I learned in the Navy but I haven't had to use it in a long time.

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......... ;o)

On the serious side....

I put the cam lock in the breach block last night.

Cam lock in the breach block

Cam lock in the breach block

Hmmm....That ryhmes

I grabbed my rifle, trusty, but I found that it was a trifle rusty.

Had to chase out the threads and make a screw

Doc Hoy · March 11, 2013, 11:01 AM

I made up a firing pin from a piece of hard steel round stock.

The actual pin is a drill bit shank driven into the body of the firing pin.

Also had to chase these threads as well and make a retaining screw for the firing pin.

Here is the pin at full extension.

Doc Hoy · March 11, 2013, 11:02 AM

...Is the breach block completed.

I hope it works.

Doc Hoy · March 11, 2013, 03:48 PM

....A trigger assembly which includes the entire trigger guard and a trigger for 40.00 and a tang for 25.00 from Al Frasca.

Watching a lock and the extractor parts on the evil Bay.

HOGSHOOTER · March 11, 2013, 06:24 PM

All us gun lovers understand.Make sure to show it off when its ready. HOGSHOOTER

Doc Hoy · March 15, 2013, 03:16 PM

Bought the receiver froma guy on Gunbroker. He is a little haphazard when it comes to service. But the price was not bad at 40.00 for the condition which is dirty but excellent.

Nuther view

Everything fits as it should

Doc Hoy · March 15, 2013, 03:19 PM

I am pretty sure this stock started life as a carbine stock

I picked up a tang from Al Frasca.

The stock is gong to need a lot of sanding.

Hellgate · March 15, 2013, 03:22 PM

This is like watching the wonder of a baby gradually forming in the womb at each sonogram.

Doc Hoy · March 15, 2013, 03:31 PM

Let me say a word about Al Frasca. This guy has a good quality website which he keeps up to date pretty well. http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/

This guy is very knowledgable. He has a good stock of parts. His prices are good and shipping is outstanding.

He is not afraid to hang on the phone and speak about the parts you need and the manner in which they fit. Good with advice.

Strafer Gott · March 15, 2013, 03:33 PM

I have the H&R Officer model. My stock isn't much better. Yours has much more red cast. Are you going back to like new? I'd be afraid to take too much character away from it. That project is really coming along nicely. I must say I am amazed at how rapidly you gathered or made the bits.

Doc Hoy · March 15, 2013, 03:42 PM

I have not yet decided what I want the final product to look like.

I thought about just smoothing it up a little and also thought about shining it up, bluing it and completely refinishing the stock.

I have a trigger and tang coming yet. Got my eyes on a lock.

Made a great deal on the hingepin, extractor, plunger and spring. Got it for about a third of what I was expecting to pay.

I'll keep posting photos as the project moved forward.

Tidewater_Kid · March 15, 2013, 09:43 PM

Doc,

Wonderful project and photos. I just ordered a basket case one today in 50-70. I think your helpful photos have inspired me to get mine working.

TK

BirchOrr · March 16, 2013, 06:02 AM

Very cool!

Birch

Doc Hoy · March 16, 2013, 08:42 AM

...I heartily recommend this guy Al Frasca if you get to needing parts.

Very interesting guy to talk to.

Be good to see some photos or your project as well.

Tidewater_Kid · March 16, 2013, 08:56 AM

Doc,

Thanks I will keep that in mind. I will post pictures when it arrives. In the meantime keep up the good work!

TK

Hawg · March 16, 2013, 11:03 AM

Doc, sand too much on that stock and the wood to metal fit will be atrocious.

Archie Otto · March 17, 2013, 07:27 PM

1884 with new barrel and stock.

Doc Hoy · March 17, 2013, 08:30 PM

...enjoyed and continue to enjoy a great reputation among shooters but a terrible record with soldiers.

I can easily understand both sides.

I love mine but I would hate to rely upon it to try to kill folks who were angry at me. Especially with copper cartridges.

Barnacle Brad · March 18, 2013, 01:40 PM

I found this site the other day - lots of parts (maybe a little high $$$)

http://www.trapdoors.com/index.php

Cool project! Good luck!

Doc Hoy · March 19, 2013, 10:05 AM

Spoke to him early on but have avoided him since that conversation.

Prices appear to be way out of line.

Doc Hoy · March 27, 2013, 04:26 AM

Hinge pin, Extractor plunger, extractor pin, and extractor. But the extractor is for a 50-70 and won't work in my rifle.

I spoke to Al Frasca and he has agreed to exchange it for one which is from a .45-70.

Also bought the triggerguard assembly and tang which has now arrived and the lock, carbine sight and barrel band which has not arrived yet.

I am going to try to make the saddle ring rail and the front sight.

This is almost starting to look like a rifle.

March 10, 2013, 10:00 PM	#26
Captainkirk Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2012 Posts: 144	Nice work, Doc! __________________ "You gonna pull those pistols, or whistle Dixie?"

March 11, 2013, 06:01 AM	#28
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Two things Bought a stock last night. As regards the finish on the rifle I am thinking I will blue the whole thing, receiver and all. I know....I know, the good looking case hardening on the recent TD replicas sure is pretty. I like the rubbed metal on my present one. There was no collector value in the rifle at all and that will be true of the one I am building. We shall see. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 11, 2013, 07:09 AM	#30
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	I am not very good at signing..... ....Never had to learn it because none of my acquaintences are deaf. Well, I do know one sign which I learned in the Navy but I haven't had to use it in a long time. . . . ......... ;o) On the serious side.... I put the cam lock in the breach block last night. Cam lock in the breach block Cam lock in the breach block Hmmm....That ryhmes I grabbed my rifle, trusty, but I found that it was a trifle rusty. Had to chase out the threads and make a screw __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath. Last edited by Doc Hoy; March 11, 2013 at 03:45 PM.

March 11, 2013, 11:01 AM	#31
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Firing pin... I made up a firing pin from a piece of hard steel round stock. The actual pin is a drill bit shank driven into the body of the firing pin. Also had to chase these threads as well and make a retaining screw for the firing pin. Here is the pin at full extension. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 11, 2013, 11:02 AM	#32
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	And here.... ...Is the breach block completed. I hope it works. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 10, 2013, 11:37 PM	#27
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The receiver and breechblock are already case hardened; trying to color them (which is what I assume you mean) will actually soften them. Jim

March 11, 2013, 06:41 AM	#29
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	You mean you're not going to sign it?

March 11, 2013, 03:48 PM	#33
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Just picked up.... ....A trigger assembly which includes the entire trigger guard and a trigger for 40.00 and a tang for 25.00 from Al Frasca. Watching a lock and the extractor parts on the evil Bay. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 11, 2013, 06:24 PM	#34
HOGSHOOTER Member Join Date: February 7, 2012 Posts: 44	All us gun lovers understand.Make sure to show it off when its ready. HOGSHOOTER

March 15, 2013, 03:16 PM	#35
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Got the stock and receiver Bought the receiver froma guy on Gunbroker. He is a little haphazard when it comes to service. But the price was not bad at 40.00 for the condition which is dirty but excellent. Nuther view Everything fits as it should __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 15, 2013, 03:19 PM	#36
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Some views of the stock I am pretty sure this stock started life as a carbine stock I picked up a tang from Al Frasca. The stock is gong to need a lot of sanding. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 15, 2013, 03:22 PM	#37
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	This is like watching the wonder of a baby gradually forming in the womb at each sonogram. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

March 15, 2013, 03:31 PM	#38
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	This is a much of the rifle as I have Let me say a word about Al Frasca. This guy has a good quality website which he keeps up to date pretty well. http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/ This guy is very knowledgable. He has a good stock of parts. His prices are good and shipping is outstanding. He is not afraid to hang on the phone and speak about the parts you need and the manner in which they fit. Good with advice. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 15, 2013, 03:33 PM	#39
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	I have the H&R Officer model. My stock isn't much better. Yours has much more red cast. Are you going back to like new? I'd be afraid to take too much character away from it. That project is really coming along nicely. I must say I am amazed at how rapidly you gathered or made the bits.

March 15, 2013, 03:42 PM	#40
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	I gotta confess, Strafer I have not yet decided what I want the final product to look like. I thought about just smoothing it up a little and also thought about shining it up, bluing it and completely refinishing the stock. I have a trigger and tang coming yet. Got my eyes on a lock. Made a great deal on the hingepin, extractor, plunger and spring. Got it for about a third of what I was expecting to pay. I'll keep posting photos as the project moved forward. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 15, 2013, 09:43 PM	#41
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 925	Doc, Wonderful project and photos. I just ordered a basket case one today in 50-70. I think your helpful photos have inspired me to get mine working. TK

March 16, 2013, 06:02 AM	#42
BirchOrr Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2012 Location: Eaton Rapids, MI Posts: 445	Very cool! Birch __________________ Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...

March 16, 2013, 08:42 AM	#43
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Tidewater... ...I heartily recommend this guy Al Frasca if you get to needing parts. Very interesting guy to talk to. Be good to see some photos or your project as well. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 16, 2013, 08:56 AM	#44
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 925	Doc, Thanks I will keep that in mind. I will post pictures when it arrives. In the meantime keep up the good work! TK

March 16, 2013, 11:03 AM	#45
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Doc, sand too much on that stock and the wood to metal fit will be atrocious.

March 17, 2013, 07:27 PM	#46
Archie Otto Member Join Date: January 7, 2013 Posts: 18	1884 with new barrel and stock.

March 17, 2013, 08:30 PM	#47
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Archie...Beautimous!.....These trapdoors.... ...enjoyed and continue to enjoy a great reputation among shooters but a terrible record with soldiers. I can easily understand both sides. I love mine but I would hate to rely upon it to try to kill folks who were angry at me. Especially with copper cartridges. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 18, 2013, 01:40 PM	#48
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	'nother resource for parts I found this site the other day - lots of parts (maybe a little high $$$) http://www.trapdoors.com/index.php Cool project! Good luck! __________________ Brad

March 19, 2013, 10:05 AM	#49
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Yes.... Spoke to him early on but have avoided him since that conversation. Prices appear to be way out of line. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

March 27, 2013, 04:26 AM	#50
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Just received... Hinge pin, Extractor plunger, extractor pin, and extractor. But the extractor is for a 50-70 and won't work in my rifle. I spoke to Al Frasca and he has agreed to exchange it for one which is from a .45-70. Also bought the triggerguard assembly and tang which has now arrived and the lock, carbine sight and barrel band which has not arrived yet. I am going to try to make the saddle ring rail and the front sight. This is almost starting to look like a rifle. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.