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November 29, 2019, 08:29 AM
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Virginia is not "ground zero." ALL the states are "ground zero," since the anti-gun forces have realized that it's easier to buy votes in state legislatures than it is to achieve their goals in Washington, DC. Several states have already enacted laws similar to those Virginia is now facing, and next year the same (or similar) draconian laws will be presnted in other state legislatures.
IIRC, one of the patriots around the time of the American Revolution said something like, "Together we stand, divided we fall."
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November 29, 2019, 09:38 AM
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November 29, 2019, 09:55 AM
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Let's keep up the pressure! Also, for any of those who have not contacted their state delegate or senator, especially those from the reasonable areas, contact them! Also, ignore the naysayers.
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November 29, 2019, 10:03 AM
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They're going after the 1st Amendment too: Senate Bill No. 64
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November 29, 2019, 11:09 AM
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Those who pursue anti-gun legislation have been organizing for years, and currently are well funded and adept at use of social media to influence voters and achieve goals. In addition to positions in local and county governments or councils, they're also involved in school board elections and PTA-type organizations to influence school curriculum's and messaging.
It's time that gun-rights supporters adopt equally grass-roots level organization and social media presence to fight back against anti-gun state legislation efforts. The posts above are spot on: it doesn't matter, in the final analysis, if the federal government is prevented from maintaining a federal database of gun owners, if each of the states maintain a state government database of gun owners. If we are forced to register our guns by each state, it won't matter that we aren't registered with the federal government. The State will still have a comprehensive registry of all American gun owners. It's time to focus on state level legislation, which can more easily create a far more draconian and dystopian future than federal level legislation. Aguila Blanca said it best above: Virginia is not ground zero. All the states are ground zero - Virginia is merely the state in the spotlight today. Washington is going the same direction, California of course has already gone there, and other western states inundated by ex-Californians such as Colorado are headed in the same direction. Organize or lose. These are our choices.
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November 29, 2019, 12:16 PM
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November 29, 2019, 01:39 PM
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You know, once they get the law on the books it can be applied to things other than just firearms. Oh not right away, of course, but eventually... I did not see any exemption for police training. Probably just not in the cited passage, but if there isn't actually an exemption in the proposed law, I can see a lawsuit (or several) in the making, if they DON'T arrest police trainers along with "regular" citizens... If they're gonna make it the law, then they should make it the law for EVERYONE! (but of course, they won't...) Quote:
HOWEVER, those counties had the population density to make it the law for the entire state. SO don't think being able to keep anti gun laws from being passed in the Legislature is enough to keep our rights. Straight "snout counting" democracy is not the best system. Its just usually not the worst system, but it has drawbacks. 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner is also democracy. But its not real good for the sheep.
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November 29, 2019, 03:38 PM
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November 29, 2019, 03:51 PM
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It's easy to point out his flaws, but I give him credit for a lot of things. If McCain or Romney were president during the Vegas shooting, I pretty much know what they would have been pressured to do... and they would probably have done it. |
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November 29, 2019, 06:09 PM
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Almost ten years of political propaganda in the palm of the hand. You will soon have young adults coming to voting age that have had the same propaganda machine teaching them the morals of the social media companies.
Gun ownership, among other conservative ideals are considered to be immoral by a majority portion of the voting public. There is no way to be successful in the endeavor of retaining our rights at the current level of resistance. Fortune 500 companies are behind gun control efforts. Even many leaders, sheriff’s, police chiefs, generals and many more. Gun rights activists will have exceed the efforts of the other side. We will never organize enough to retain rights in the future. They want to take guns. They are organized. They are serious. They cross state lines. They march. They buy ads. They have tech platforms that support their goal. Corporations that support the goal. Banks and financial institutions sometimes limit access to commerce. What do we do? Molon Labe bumper sticker maybe. |
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November 29, 2019, 07:38 PM
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You are correct. Having encountered challenges from SCOTUS on down at the federal level, the new agenda is to bypass the federal (Constitutional) Bill of Rights and outlaw rights at the State level, where there are no over-arching prohibitions against, for example, requiring that every gun sold in the state be registered on a Statewide database at the time of sale. Want a gun? It's registered in your name at the time of sale on a State database. This is only one part of a more comprehensive anti-gun foundation, but it sets the stage for much worse abuses in the future. It's what all states have to look forward to, so long as outside money is welcomed into a state to influence state elections. The Bloombergs of the world can indeed purchase the outcomes of elections, with enough money spread in the right places. "Democracy" is a more fragile construct than many believe.
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November 29, 2019, 10:51 PM
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November 30, 2019, 07:41 AM
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November 30, 2019, 11:16 AM
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Regrettably, I'm unaware of any pro-gun billionaires.
I'm not even sure that aside from manufacturers associations there are *any* deep pockets individual contributors in the United States. That's why, even though I'm disappointed and feel betrayed by the NRA and the antics of WLP at it's helm, I conclude that (at least currently) the only vestige of an active organization that can focus the small donations of millions of members to successfully sway votes at the federal and state level in US politics remains the NRA. If anyone else see's any pro-gun billionaires out there ready to fund about a decade or two of resistance to anti-gun conspiracy, please point them out.
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November 30, 2019, 02:01 PM
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December 1, 2019, 02:24 PM
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." Attributed to Ben Franklin
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December 2, 2019, 03:43 PM
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Just read this today:
https://www.virginiamercury.com/blog...nctuary-trend/ A Democratic state delegate has asked Attorney General Mark Herring (D) for a formal opinion on the Second Amendment sanctuary declarations being passed in a growing number of conservative counties across the state. In a letter sent to the attorney general Monday, Del. Jay Jones, D-Norfolk, said a legal opinion could help clear up confusion on an issue that has “become a flashpoint across our state.” Clarification from the attorney general’s office said, Jones said, would benefit the local officials being “bombarded” with citizen requests to pass resolutions declaring their opposition to, and possible defiance of, new gun-control laws Democratic majorities are expected to pass early next year. “The bills passed by the General Assembly and signed into law by the governor are binding for our entire Commonwealth and its citizens,” Jones wrote. “The legal precedent we would set by allowing communities to selectively ignore those laws at will is alarming and indicative of the same mindset that nearly one hundred and fifty years ago led this country to dissolve into a civil war.” The article continues... |
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December 3, 2019, 09:42 AM
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December 3, 2019, 11:00 AM
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December 4, 2019, 08:38 AM
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Wasn't talking national but again, the fact that many STATE legislature seats went uncontested by the GOP...then all this about 'what do we do now?', Seems, once again, too little, too late.
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December 4, 2019, 10:26 AM
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December 4, 2019, 11:09 AM
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As for number 2..the majority of those 'targeted' are gun owners, correct? And this driven by barr/DOJ. I doubt trump even knows about it but it is HIS DOJ...
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What's your point? This is still not about gun control, it's about getting a handle on how many of these scopes have been illegally exported, and where they have gone.
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December 5, 2019, 03:09 PM
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Now at 43 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, towns, and cities. Need to keep up the pressure and contact your county supervisors. Also, contact your state delegate and senator and let them know that VA will not be controlled by out of touch trans plants and out of state money.
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December 5, 2019, 07:37 PM
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I wrote the following today to our five county supervisors here in Floyd. It appears Floyd will pass a resolution next Tuesday. They moved the meeting to the auditorium at the high school, apparently anticipating a much larger crowd than their normal meeting place. I'll be there.
Dear Floyd County Supervisors, I am writing to express my support for a resolution declaring Floyd County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County. The Second Amendment to our constitution and the United States Supreme Court ruling in DC vs Heller make very clear that the right to keep and bear arms for the protection of our homes and families is an inherent individual right. Unfortunately, the abhorrent actions of a small number of mentally ill people have created a cry for action against firearm ownership which has been taken up by the new Democratic administration in Richmond. In a knee-jerk reaction to the cry to “do something”, come January our state leaders will attempt to severely restrict the rights of our good law abiding citizens with new laws that will adversely affect our ability to protect ourselves. We need to express our opposition to these new restrictions, even if only symbolically, by joining our neighboring counties here in rural Virginia in declaring Floyd County a Second Amendment Sanctuary County. There is an old saying that if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. The same is true for many politicians. Since the only tool they have is to pass laws, every problem looks like it can be solved with a law. In reality, laws only affect law abiding citizens, and we are not the problem. The issue of gun violence is much more complex and will not be solved by adding new laws to the many thousands of gun restricting laws already on the books in our nation. Solutions for violence must be effective, not just feel good measures that miss the core of the problem. I will not pretend to know the solution to crime and violence in our country, but I know that punishing 99.9999% of the population for the actions of 0.0001% is not the solution. In representing the good people of Floyd you should place the interests, feelings, and culture of our citizens above your own personal views. Floyd is a conservative county, and like our surrounding neighbors strongly oppose new ineffective feel-good laws that restrict our inherent right to self-protection in an ever increasingly dangerous world. I therefore implore you to pass a Second Amendment Sanctuary resolution for Floyd County at your next board meeting to send a message to Richmond that we in the rural south deserve to be heard as loudly as those in the northern cities.
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