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September 2, 2013, 02:25 PM | #26 | |
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For a defensive gun, I would get a used Remington 1100 for the price of the 930 or a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 well before I used any 930 variant. |
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IMO,with the OP's price range of $500, he has a fairly wide range of selection if he considers used. Then he can be more selective on which he is more comfortable/ handles/likes better. |
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Add to that the many QC problems that have been immediately evident upon unboxing Mossberg shotguns and I have little faith in the manufacturer. |
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All the snarkiness aside, I think the OP now understands that his wants and his budget are not in agreement, so he needs to alter one or both to achieve his desire to own a shotGUN for home defense.
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Doubling a budget can be hard to do. I personally would just drop the semi requirement and go with a reliable pump. People have given good options there already. I'd probably go with a mossberg 590 or rem 870 to start with.
Personally, I would prefer a bullpup as well, the KSG being at the top of the list. I'd heard many of the initial problems are gone with them, but there's still the price and availability. Incidentally, there's a conversion for the 870, but it looks ugly (built around the reliability of the 870, though). For me, I opted to just rely on my pistol until more affordable reliable bullpups became available. As to kitting it out, do what you want with it, but keep it as light and maneuverable as possible. I would personally need a pistol grip as I can't stand/use a regular shotgun grip. A light may be handy (since you can't have 1 hand free for a flashlight). Instead of 2 sights, maybe look into some more basic night iron sights (tritium, etc). Save a little weight and still be practical. You're not gonna be speed clearing rooms, so you don't *need* a red dot. Keep it non-electronic and you won't need a backup, either. That's probably all I'd put on it. Last edited by Rikakiah; September 3, 2013 at 01:15 AM. |
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I'm familiar with the 870, in fact it's the only shotgun I've fired. But some questions about it...
Slugs. From what I've seen they are awesome penetrators(punches thru bulletproof glass), and you can get rifled barrels for the 870 to fire slugs accurately, would an 870 shotgun with rifled barrel firing slugs no longer be considered a shotgun? But a large bore rifle? What kind of effective range would an 870 with the shortest legal rifled barrel and slugs have? Just an idea, how about an 870 with red dot sight, extended mag tube, and short rifled barrel for home defense? Too extreme?
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Oh, and wouldn't firing 00buck through a rifled barrel damage the rifling? I'm sure it would so you couldn't alternate rounds. You'd have to use a smoothbore for that.
And sorry for all the questions, been shooting pistols all my life and looking to get more into it, make it a hobby, expand to shotguns and rifles. Thank you all for the replies so far.
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How about you shoot slugs through a smoothbore barrel? For HD ranges there won't be much of a difference.
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Yeah, at ranges up to 50 yards or so, regular ole' slugs through a smooth bore barrel are plenty accurate.
Shot loads fired through a rifled barrel make really lousy patterns. For home defense use, stay with the smooth bore.
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A very important thing to consider about using slugs for SD/HD is over- penetration. Don't want to be shooting through your walls into your neighbors house. And the 'kill range' of a "free flying', unobstructed slug can be several hundred yards. You should survey your home/surroundings and then decide what load to use for SD/HD. Have never seen a pole on the topic but would guess that most people using a shotgun for SD/HD use some form of buckshot for two reasons: 1) buckshot does not penetrate as much as slugs but is still more then adequate enough for most SD/HD situations. 2) buckshot spreads giving it a better 'hit' ratio then a single slug. Quote:
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Bottom line: on shooting buckshot out of a rifled or smooth bbl for SD/HD would again, first include surveying the area you are trying to protect, IE: furthest distance you would be shooting in your home, and pattern your shotgun at that distance with different loads till you find a load that gets most shot center mass on your target, will do the job and not over-penetrate. FWIW...Kudo's to you for asking the questions you have. Many don't and it show's much responsibility on your part. Last edited by shortwave; September 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM. |
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Thank you all for the awesome responses.
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I recommend a Remington 870 12 ga smooth bore. I have five 870's, they are very reliable, and easy to maintain. Sights are virtually irrelevant at home defense distances inside the dwelling. An extended magazine may be valuable in an extreme situation and - like insurance - is probably worth the cost. I recommend No. 1 buckshot - definitely not slugs - for home defense. Home defense shotgun loads have been addressed several times here on TFL. For example, see this thread and the reference in the quote:
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One that you have practiced with and are familiar with.
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The shortest barrel will still have more effective range than what would be considered self defense in 99.9999% of the scenarios Putting all that extra weight and getting the gun over 10 pounds in doing so makes it impractical, unwieldy, and more hassle than it is worth. Do what you want, but try real hard not to wind up like this guy: [IMG][/IMG].................... |
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I got a mossberg 20 ga deer and upland barrel for 250.00. The deer barrel is rifled so it can use sabots. That barrel is also bit shorter than the field barrel too.
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For home defense you will not need 13+ rounds of 12 gauge ammunition. You need to get a conventional time proven pump action shotgun, such as a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870, with a barrel no longer that 20" and with a capacity of no less than 4+1. Put a flashlight on it. Don't fret over a bead sight, no ghost rings or tacticool electro targeting computer laser dot scope needed Go out buy a couple 100 round value packs of field loads from wal-mart and shoot it, practice reloading, shoot it some more. Feed it some full power 2 3/4" 00 9 pellet buckshot. Make sure it functions. Leave the tube loaded with buckshot, with an empty chamber, with the safety OFF. All you have to do is pick up the shotgun and rack a round in the chamber and pull the trigger. If you have any kids around you shouldn't have ANY firearm out in the open anyway so you will have to get some kind of safe.
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Similar setup with the Mossberg 500. |
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Any 18" to 20" pump gun, new or used, from Remington, Mossberg, Winchester, Ithaca, Benelli, or Browning will get the job done.
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Re: Best Home Defense Shotty?
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And outside the military/police, who has shot up to 40 rounds in a single defense situation? With that said, I was going into combat with a shotgun, it would be a pump. Oh and as to the QC problems, I would be more inclined to picked up new Mossberg over a new Remington. (I do have an old 870 that I love, and yes...if I had the money, I would consider looking at the VersaMax) And just because I've seen Glocks jam or 1911s jam, means those are unreliable platforms. OP - Get what fits you. If money is that tight, get a pump. Good luck with your quest. |
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Thank you all again, I've decided when it comes time to get a shotgun, I'm going to get a Remy 870 12 ga. smoothbore with buck shot. It's the only shotgun I've ever shot, affordable, and reliable.
My goal is to have a full-size pistol, a short shotgun, and short rifle/carbine for home-defense. I want to start a gun collection and a little bit of everything to pass down to my children someday.
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Good decision to me...
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