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February 5, 2019, 07:26 PM | #26 | |
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Pertinent to the subject here, these weren't the accomplishments of the NRA alone. They happened alongside the efforts of organizations that aren't mere single issue clubs, but share and value the philosophical underpinnings that give 2d Am. advocacy its heft. Government isn't just legislation, and an exec and senate that can deliver a more reasonable court isn't the result of a narrow and unprincipled focus on people getting to keep most of their arms. There is no zealotry in recognizing how people and government work.
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This is off topic but relevant.
I have a unique view of immigration and immigrants, both legal and not. A fellow officer is a US citizen (born here), however his parents were visa-overstay immigrants from Mexico. They were ultimately deported when he was 17, however he stayed. It set him back in life, and he had a pretty negative image of America for a little while. He's in his late 20's now, and more mature. He understands that its, well, complicated. After speaking with him, and many others in the community, I have pretty much developed a "middle of the road" view that's quite sympathetic to certain populations of illegal immigrants who have been here for years and never have caused any problems. I feel strongly about the subject, have met and spoke with with numerous illegal immigrants who were sincere and good people. On the same note, however, I recognize that every other nation controls their immigration and that bad things and bad people cross the border almost daily mixed in with the poor good folks who really just want a better life. I do not disagree with some views held on both sides of the immigration debate. But, middle of the road as I am, I would probably never join either a "pro" or "anti" illegal immigrant rights foundation. Why? Because in my view a solution seems so simple, yet so complicated at the same time, and both sides engage in hyperbole and fear-mongering or moral tongue wagging to support their side/views. I do not relate to either side of the discussion. Therefore I would not join any immigration rights group because either side will have views more extreme than the ones I hold, IMO. How is this relevant at all? Quote:
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I ignored the part of your post that is a non sequitur: Quote:
The balance of my post pertains to a number of organizations working toward a common goal where their interests intersect and achieving the results I described, a topic on which your post didn't touch. Hope that helps.
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If your point is that this right is one to be free of some level of control, interference or regulation, rather than to use state power to compel the behavior of others, I don't disagree. On the original question posed: Quote:
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Kind of common theme with you and my last post to you. Glad you reached a conclusion!! |
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