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I would just use my 1861 Navy to fight my way to my gun safe and pull out my Thompson M1972A1 with the 100 round drum and proceed to shoot up the whole damn house |
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Yes it can be done but why? There are too many possible "murphies" with a c&b and a bp cartridge makes too much smoke to be fired indoors. If you don't do it with the first you will be lucky if you can find the target for the second. There are just too many reliable modern firearms to trust your life and limb to a bp firearm.
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You can take out alot of the Murphys law with a SXS with 2 triggers , so thats 2 triggers and loads that would have to fail .
Looks like I have my bases covered And with a plus , my SXS is made in the USA and never failed me ......I can`t say that about my Italian made collection . |
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The C&B pistol is a deadly weapon, but for HD I use a 12 GA. 2 #7s and 3 00s. Nuff Said?
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Are there still places in this country where about all that one can legally possess is a black powder arm? I seem to remember there were a few states back in the 1980s that were that way. Maybe they still are. |
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it is spelled Defense, unless you are European
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I believe in new york, BP is pretty close to the only thing you can easily get. I know that in Chicago and Oak Park that you can't even have BPs. And why are were arguing over how to spell defence?
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For those who like a pistol in each hand, how about one of these in the right hand and a .45 ACP in the left. A 435 grain maxi hunter would be quite an introduction!
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Honestly i don't think i would want to keep my revolver for hd. Occasionally the caps don't fire, powder is liable to get wet, its messy, super slow loading... the list goes on. Modern ammunition is much more reliable and when I'm in HD I don't want to question whether or not my gun is going to function.
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LEO's are very well armed with modern pistols and the shots they fire under stress miss the target 80%-90% of the time. So in the end what makes any gun more effective than another? No one criticizes the Amish for their lifestyle choices, so similarly a C&B is an acceptable, effective and bona fide deadly weapon, and people who choose them know full well what they're doing and what their capabilities are. The info. below is contained in post #29 in the following thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ighlight=45-70 Quote:
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Thanks arcticap. So there is nothing magical about cap and ball being super duper extra strong lethal stuff after all, huh? Imagine that.
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Thanx arcticap, goes to show that even tho they are antiquated & obsolete that those old fashioned C&B Revolvers can in fact in the right experienced hands if need be potent enough to defend one's life but again as I said, that'd be as a secondary firearm to what I already have in my arsonal.
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I keep my 1858 uberti in my night stand loaded for self defense but I also shoot this gun every two weeks and clean and service it constantly. I think if a person takes the time and trouble to be proficient with a black powder pistol they can make great self defense weapons. Now days with ammo being so hard to get a hold of its nice to own a black powder firearm because you can always find percussion caps and black powder or black powder substitutes for them. As far as reloading is concerned watch pale rider!
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I can buy primers where I grocery shop... and I don't grocery shop at Wal-mart.
Anyway, I noticed Arcticap's list of stats was used to argue both ways... interesting turn of stats. Thanks CNN style Stat usage.
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It is desgined to work with cap gun "roll caps" Which I hear work fine. I haven't got one yet but I do reload my own large pistol primers, with strike anywhere matches It works well, but compound fromthe matches draw moisture. I just pop them in the food dehydrator overnight and they are good as new. |
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I don't think that BP revolvers are more lethal but only that they can be made to work effectively if needed.
The stats are just what's available for comparison. Granted the 88 grain bullet in the 9mm loading is somewhat deceptive. But the deterrent factor, shot placement and the simple fact is that not every burglar or intruder is armed and desiring a gunfight. In the end a gun is a gun, it's man against man, who is going to shoot first and where will the bullet hit? |
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I'm new to this and trying to figure the stats out. What is "1 Shot Stop" and how would that figure be obtained?
Also, does one of the numbers on these figures address the likelihood that the bullet would go through the recipient and into someone (or something) behind them? I'm thinking that might be an important consideration in home defense, since I have other family members in other parts of the house that could conceivably be behind the intruder. |
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The figures don't really address that except by inference by showing figures for some of the .44 cap & balls being downloaded with less powder.
IIRC the NYC PD started using hollow points in their .38 Specials during the 1990's because of the number of pass throughs using solid round nose [158 gr.] bullets. And they use 9mm hollow points too. Last edited by arcticap; November 11, 2009 at 01:59 AM. |
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Double Naught, you said it shows they're nothing special and then Raider said that it shows they can be used for home defense, neither of you contradicted each other, but you used the same stats to come to conclusions that seemed counter to one and other. I just thought it was funny.
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If you notice my signature I have BP revolvers & rifles, .22 revolvers & rifles, centerfire pistol and cartridge shotguns. All are loaded and kept in various locations all over my house. I do not carry a weapon when I am in my house, I figure I can get to one if it be needed. My cap & ball revolvers just give me more guns to use if needed. they are just part of the overall defense strategy.
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