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Old June 12, 2024, 05:57 PM   #51
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They even make 9mm shot shells.
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Old June 12, 2024, 06:49 PM   #52
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If what your saying is true we are to be getting a buttload of 9mm revolvers.
We already have a bunch of 9mm revolvers, other than Colt, every major revolver maker makes a 9mm revolver. Now extra large frames like an N frame or a Redhawk in 9mm doesn't make sense because the power just isn't there with 9mm like it is with 10mm and with 10mm they can't fit in anything smaller than an L frame, but at whatever size the 10mm is in for a revolver it's hugely more powerful than 9mm and power is a top reason people buy revolvers.
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and power is a top reason people buy revolvers.
Which we are now back to revolver rimmed cartridges for revolvers . .41 Mag, .44 Mag, .45 Colt, .454, etc. Not semi-auto cartridges. Just saying ...
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Which we are now back to revolver rimmed cartridges for revolvers . .41 Mag, .44 Mag, .45 Colt, .454, etc. Not semi-auto cartridges. Just saying ...
Sure, but now you're not factoring in the cost, running any revolver over 10mm is going to become very costly, double or triple, and then you can't use that ammunition in your semi auto.

Look, there's a lot of factors involved, but price to performance makes a 10mm revolver very appealing. If gretaer power were desired, there's always 10mm Magnum, but I don't think the industry or the general public is ready for a revolver that can shoot a rimless caliber with power almost ( I am not saying EQUAL) near that of .41 Mag and be chambered in a 686 or GP100 sized frame, yet can also shoot .40 and 10mm Auto for cheap, lower recoil practice.
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Old June 13, 2024, 02:06 AM   #56
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Just checked on Midway, Federal (50 rnd box), .40 S&W was $29.99.
.357 Magnum was $33.99 and 10mm was $39.99.

So, sticking with one brand for a fair comparison, .40 was $4 a box cheaper than .357 and 10mm was $6 a box more expensive than .357.

That doesn't hold well with the statement that 10mm is cheaper than .357.

Now, mind you this was basic grade ammo, the premium stuff in all calibers was much more expensive, sometimes nearly double the price.

None of which really impacts me, as I am no longer the buying public, I am the bought public, meaning the pistols I have I bought some time ago, don't plan on getting any more, really, and I also handload, so while the price of components matters to me the cost of factory ammo isn't a big factor for me.

The only rimless rounds I shoot from revolvers is the .45ACP. Ruger Blackhawk SA (no clips) and a 1917 Webley converted to use .45acp BRASS with Webley level loads, in half moon clips.

I shoot .357, .44Mag, and .45 Colt from revolvers and single shots. I also shoot .357 and .44 Mag from semi autos, too.

If a 10mm revolver floats your boat, get one and enjoy! If that is what comes to dominate the current sales market, so be it. Won't bother me any, the rounds I use have been around a lot longer than I have, and even if they're not topping the sales charts, they're going to still be around after I'm gone.
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Just checked on Midway, Federal (50 rnd box), .40 S&W was $29.99.
.357 Magnum was $33.99 and 10mm was $39.99.

So, sticking with one brand for a fair comparison, .40 was $4 a box cheaper than .357 and 10mm was $6 a box more expensive than .357.

That doesn't hold well with the statement that 10mm is cheaper than .357.

Now, mind you this was basic grade ammo, the premium stuff in all calibers was much more expensive, sometimes nearly double the price.

None of which really impacts me, as I am no longer the buying public, I am the bought public, meaning the pistols I have I bought some time ago, don't plan on getting any more, really, and I also handload, so while the price of components matters to me the cost of factory ammo isn't a big factor for me.

The only rimless rounds I shoot from revolvers is the .45ACP. Ruger Blackhawk SA (no clips) and a 1917 Webley converted to use .45acp BRASS with Webley level loads, in half moon clips.

I shoot .357, .44Mag, and .45 Colt from revolvers and single shots. I also shoot .357 and .44 Mag from semi autos, too.

If a 10mm revolver floats your boat, get one and enjoy! If that is what comes to dominate the current sales market, so be it. Won't bother me any, the rounds I use have been around a lot longer than I have, and even if they're not topping the sales charts, they're going to still be around after I'm gone.
Midway's pricing is pretty awful for ammo. Sometimes they have a good sale, but general pricing has been bad for years, so I wouldn't use them as a source for ammo prices.

Nor would I compare brand to brand because that's not what consumers do when shopping, they will buy whatever the cheaper brand is that's decent and Federal 10mm is some of the worst on the market for 10mm, very underpowered.

So, focusing just on price, here's what we're getting:

357
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/076683052070

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/812285020075

10mm
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/754908210916

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/754908500918

$20 for New Republic .357 is the lowest I've seen for .357 in a long time, but I can't find that brand at any other retailer so that may be a sale price while the Armscor is a more general price at $25. The $19 for 10mm is pretty common and I know not to be a sale price, so we're looking at over 10 cents less per round for 10mm vs .357 Mag or 20% less.

.38
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/741569070102

.40
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/741569070454

19-20 for .38, 17-18 for .40 so again, the rimless auto caliber is coming in cheaper than the rimmed revolver caliber and the .40 is also more powerful than the .38 is.

I'm not going to bother with premium or defense ammo as all of it is priced the same unless you're going with Hornady who puts 25 rds in a box if it's 9mm/.357 or smaller. Still, most people buy a box of that stuff maybe once a year, so that cost is negligible compared to what is shot the most, which is range practice ammo.

These prices focus only on online sellers, for the local LGS or mom n pop shop that price can fluctuate wildly. The trend tho is that the second and fourth/fifth most popular auto pistol calibers are coming in cheaper than the two most popular revolver calibers and that is a trend that is likely to continue for a very long time.
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Old June 13, 2024, 09:03 AM   #58
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I went through 13K of 10mm over the last 2 years. Cost was about 18 cents a round.
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Midway's pricing is pretty awful for ammo. Sometimes they have a good sale, but general pricing has been bad for years, so I wouldn't use them as a source for ammo prices.
They sell ammo, and therefore are a valid source for prices. Their prices, sure, perhaps not the cheapest you can find, but their prices do reflect the general trend, if not the identical amounts.

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Nor would I compare brand to brand because that's not what consumers do when shopping, they will buy whatever the cheaper brand is that's decent and Federal 10mm is some of the worst on the market for 10mm, very underpowered.
Some do that, others are looking for specific things in their ammo and if the very cheapest stuff doesn't have them, they don't buy the very cheapest stuff.

I have, in the past bought the cheapest ammo I could find in a specific caliber, not because it did what I wanted, but as a way to get brass for reloading. A (one) box, usually, to slake my thirst while waiting on finding brass. Not all consumers follow the same patterns, just as finding one kind of ammo cheaper at one place does not mean it is always cheaper everyplace.
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Old June 14, 2024, 12:43 PM   #60
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I’m not shooting the cheapest ammo I can find in my $800-$1200 handgun.
Many years ago I felt compelled to buy something at a local gun show.
I found a box of non-name brand (not reloads) 38spl 148gr HBWC ammo to shoot in my S&W M66 for cheap.
About half of them ended up with pierced primers. Not saying that they were overcharged but something wasn’t right and I never bought “cheap” ammo again.
This gun had never done this previously or since.
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I’m not shooting the cheapest ammo I can find in my $800-$1200 handgun.
There is a big difference between cheap and economical. My 10mm handloads have a lower SD are are more consistent than pretty much all Factory Ammo.
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Old June 14, 2024, 01:06 PM   #62
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Hand loads are great, I’ve been loading my own since the 80’s.
I’m talking about some of the cheap stuff on somewhere like Ammoseek.
If I buy store bought, it’s going to be a well known name brand.
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They sell ammo, and therefore are a valid source for prices. Their prices, sure, perhaps not the cheapest you can find, but their prices do reflect the general trend, if not the identical amounts.
If I can buy Federal 10mm for over $10 less a box, then I'm not buying it from Midway.


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Some do that, others are looking for specific things in their ammo and if the very cheapest stuff doesn't have them, they don't buy the very cheapest stuff.

I have, in the past bought the cheapest ammo I could find in a specific caliber, not because it did what I wanted, but as a way to get brass for reloading. A (one) box, usually, to slake my thirst while waiting on finding brass. Not all consumers follow the same patterns, just as finding one kind of ammo cheaper at one place does not mean it is always cheaper everyplace.
What more do people want their ammo to do? When I buy ammo I want it to do a few things: be reliable, be accurate, and not be weak. I recently found in a 9mm Taurus revolver that Winchester white box shoots far more accurately than Blazer, so even if Blazer is half the price I'm not buying it, but it's not like Winchester is premium ammo either. Lower price ammo can do everything that some people are looking for and some people are only looking at what they can get for the lowest cost available.

Just because an ammo is cheaper at one place doesn't mean it's cheaper at the next doesn't stop someone from going to the place it is and buying it for less.
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I’m just curious.
Just to sell more guns. There are probably 2 or 3 people out there that would buy a 10mm Revolver.
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Lower price ammo can do everything that some people are looking for and some people are only looking at what they can get for the lowest cost available.
Absolutely. And other people are looking for specific things, a certain level of accuracy, or other performance, want a particular bullet type and weight, want, or need something that isn't a factory offering, (those folks often handload) budget matters some, but may not be the overriding factor, and then add all the different possible "wants" on top of basic needs and it gets complicated, and I pretty much leave that to the folks who make and market stuff to figure out what will sell best.

If I were into the 10mm (or .40) I would certainly consider adding a revolver in that caliber, or at the very least, a 10mm barrel for my Contender. I really like the idea of having something else that shoots the same ammo as your primary gun in that caliber (what ever it is). But I'm not going to go out and get a gun in any caliber I don't currently use just because there is some ammo for it cheaper than ammo for other calibers.
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