Wake up call of knowing your target and what's behind it.

maxman894 · August 29, 2011, 03:19 PM

Something that happened at my school Friday night. A little wake up call of knowing what is behind your target.

http://wmfd.com/newsboard/single.asp?Story=47411

jibberjabber · August 29, 2011, 03:26 PM

glad no one was killed

maxman894 · August 29, 2011, 03:31 PM

Amen to that. There were more cops there in 5 minutes than most people will ever see in their whole life.

chadstrickland · August 29, 2011, 03:38 PM

Glad nobody was hurt

TailGator · August 30, 2011, 07:52 AM

Fortunate indeed that no one was seriously hurt. I would be interesting to know what "hit but not wounded" means.

kadima · August 30, 2011, 09:06 AM

When the residual cynetics of the bullet are such that you feel the bullet hitting you but don't get wounds.

K.

Catalyst · August 30, 2011, 09:26 AM

Feeling kinda mixed on the no charges having been filed part. If the injuries were indeed minor and they didn't want to press charges then I suppose no harm, no foul but it kinda pisses me off that the group negligently endangering everyone at that soccer game (and elsewhere) aren't facing some heat.

Accidents happen but it's crap like this that gives responsible shooters more hoops to jump through.

MrDontPlay · August 30, 2011, 10:40 AM

Can we start calling them defense rifles?

markj · August 30, 2011, 02:37 PM

Sounds like they need a good backstop before they start shooting. Coulda been a lot worse.

Tactical Alex · August 30, 2011, 02:46 PM

My question too Markj. What were they shooting into to help ensure things like this don't happen. You don't have to be a Range Master to know that there's ALWAYS a chance for fliers, especially with the good old .223 or 5.56mm rounds but there's still many techniques that can reduce those risks greatly.

I'm curious if the city this happened in has a good set of laws on where people are allowed to shoot firearms legally without endangering possible third parties? I don't mean to twist this on too the government in any way though. I still think the fault lies with the shooters who did not plan properly to ensure the safety of everyone before they began their shooting.

old bear · August 30, 2011, 02:47 PM

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Feeling kinda mixed on the no charges having been filed part.

As do I.

maxman894 · August 30, 2011, 05:37 PM

Tactical Alex, they were inside the city limits, so they will at least get charged with discharging a firearm within city limits.

WW2 · August 30, 2011, 06:15 PM

The distance was 1.07 MILES from the game. The bullet drop of a 5.56 at this range is in the neighborhood of 150 FEET! They had to aim very high to get the bullet that far down range.

Additionally, the "hit but not wounded" implies that the bullet was traveling at terminal velocity similar to the mythbusters test (see http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50 ) so it seems, based upon the little evidence given, that these may have been shots fired nearly vertically!

Just my supposition!

Dwight55 · August 30, 2011, 08:55 PM

If this is the Ontario, Ohio I know of near Mansfield, . . . it's Booneyville almost all around the area. The shots could easily have come from far outside the city limits of the area, . . .

But it indeed sounds like someone needs a lesson on safe gun handling, . . . like the property / gun owners.

May God bless,
Dwight

maxman894 · August 30, 2011, 08:57 PM

Dwight55, it is indeed the one right by Mansfield. The one General Motors had a plant in.

Sefner · August 30, 2011, 09:28 PM

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The distance was 1.07 MILES from the game. The bullet drop of a 5.56 at this range is in the neighborhood of 150 FEET! They had to aim very high to get the bullet that far down range.

Additionally, the "hit but not wounded" implies that the bullet was traveling at terminal velocity similar to the mythbusters test (see http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50 ) so it seems, based upon the little evidence given, that these may have been shots fired nearly vertically!

Just my supposition!

Not so fast. Putting some basic info into a ballistics calculator, the .223 round terminates (hits the ground) about 1.5 miles when fired at 25 degrees from parallel.

You are correct that they weren't firing parallel to the ground, my thought is that had they been doing that something other than a human body would have stopped the bullet (a tree, car, etc).

My guess is that they were shooting at something on top of a berm and missed. Two shots that were close together from over a mile. Those are aimed shots, not shooting into the air.

Mr. James · August 30, 2011, 09:34 PM

WW2, thank you. Wow.

Good news that no one was seriously injured, but what a strange case. They launched rounds skyward and managed to howitzer people that far away. I'd love to read the follow up here.

Just guessing, not knowing Ohio law, that they'll face illegal discharge violations of some sort. Doesn't appear they were out to kill the soccer moms.

Truly shoddy "journalism", however. They post a photo of a police rifle, say the rifle used is in the evidence locker, and so we don't even know if it was an eeevil black rifle or a Ruger Ranch Rifle. Of course, the general audience will just assume an eeeevil black rifle, and draw the usual conclusions. "No one needs a military weapon like that." Blecchh. It's like those "if it bleeds, it leads" local news broadcasts where they show a handgun, even when the crime involved a stabbing. Bleccchhh.

maxman894 · August 30, 2011, 10:06 PM

It is shoddy journalism. Not sure what actually happened. Still a good reminder to everyone.

mete · August 31, 2011, 03:19 AM

It's called reckless endangerment !! Charges should be placed !

Helios · September 1, 2011, 08:05 AM

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It is shoddy journalism. Not sure what actually happened. Still a good reminder to everyone.

Indeed. They didn't miss their opportunity to post a scary black rifle (one owned by the police, not the shooter) and claim it was an assault rifle.

August 29, 2011, 03:19 PM	#1
maxman894 Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 141	Wake up call of knowing your target and what's behind it. Something that happened at my school Friday night. A little wake up call of knowing what is behind your target. http://wmfd.com/newsboard/single.asp?Story=47411

August 29, 2011, 03:38 PM	#4
chadstrickland Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2011 Location: alabama Posts: 537	Glad nobody was hurt __________________ Two weapons that was designed by the same man still in use by the us military 100 years later...1911 and m2...is there anything that comes close.....lol annd maybe perhaps a sig sauer p226 tac ops edition..

August 30, 2011, 10:40 AM	#8
MrDontPlay Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2010 Posts: 587	Can we start calling them defense rifles? __________________ Someday I'll be good enough to know if a gun is accurate or not.

August 30, 2011, 02:46 PM	#10
Tactical Alex Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 25	My question too Markj. What were they shooting into to help ensure things like this don't happen. You don't have to be a Range Master to know that there's ALWAYS a chance for fliers, especially with the good old .223 or 5.56mm rounds but there's still many techniques that can reduce those risks greatly. I'm curious if the city this happened in has a good set of laws on where people are allowed to shoot firearms legally without endangering possible third parties? I don't mean to twist this on too the government in any way though. I still think the fault lies with the shooters who did not plan properly to ensure the safety of everyone before they began their shooting. __________________ --Tactical Alex "Practice does not make perfect...PERFECT practice makes perfect."

August 30, 2011, 08:55 PM	#14
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	If this is the Ontario, Ohio I know of near Mansfield, . . . it's Booneyville almost all around the area. The shots could easily have come from far outside the city limits of the area, . . . But it indeed sounds like someone needs a lesson on safe gun handling, . . . like the property / gun owners. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

August 29, 2011, 03:26 PM	#2
jibberjabber Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2011 Posts: 178	glad no one was killed

August 29, 2011, 03:31 PM	#3
maxman894 Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 141	Amen to that. There were more cops there in 5 minutes than most people will ever see in their whole life.

August 30, 2011, 07:52 AM	#5
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,787	Fortunate indeed that no one was seriously hurt. I would be interesting to know what "hit but not wounded" means.

August 30, 2011, 09:06 AM	#6
kadima Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Posts: 190	When the residual cynetics of the bullet are such that you feel the bullet hitting you but don't get wounds. K.

August 30, 2011, 09:26 AM	#7
Catalyst Member Join Date: October 16, 2009 Posts: 64	Feeling kinda mixed on the no charges having been filed part. If the injuries were indeed minor and they didn't want to press charges then I suppose no harm, no foul but it kinda pisses me off that the group negligently endangering everyone at that soccer game (and elsewhere) aren't facing some heat. Accidents happen but it's crap like this that gives responsible shooters more hoops to jump through.

August 30, 2011, 02:37 PM	#9
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	Sounds like they need a good backstop before they start shooting. Coulda been a lot worse.

August 30, 2011, 05:37 PM	#12
maxman894 Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 141	Tactical Alex, they were inside the city limits, so they will at least get charged with discharging a firearm within city limits.

August 30, 2011, 08:57 PM	#15
maxman894 Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 141	Dwight55, it is indeed the one right by Mansfield. The one General Motors had a plant in.

August 30, 2011, 09:34 PM	#17
Mr. James Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: The Old Dominion Posts: 1,521	WW2, thank you. Wow. Good news that no one was seriously injured, but what a strange case. They launched rounds skyward and managed to howitzer people that far away. I'd love to read the follow up here. Just guessing, not knowing Ohio law, that they'll face illegal discharge violations of some sort. Doesn't appear they were out to kill the soccer moms. Truly shoddy "journalism", however. They post a photo of a police rifle, say the rifle used is in the evidence locker, and so we don't even know if it was an eeevil black rifle or a Ruger Ranch Rifle. Of course, the general audience will just assume an eeeevil black rifle, and draw the usual conclusions. "No one needs a military weapon like that." Blecchh. It's like those "if it bleeds, it leads" local news broadcasts where they show a handgun, even when the crime involved a stabbing. Bleccchhh. __________________ "...A humble and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." Ps. li "When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." —Frederic Bastiat

August 30, 2011, 10:06 PM	#18
maxman894 Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 141	It is shoddy journalism. Not sure what actually happened. Still a good reminder to everyone.

August 31, 2011, 03:19 AM	#19
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	It's called reckless endangerment !! Charges should be placed ! __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !