Smushing lead HP's

tomh1426 · November 10, 2007, 11:54 PM

Ok I got the round seating plug from RCBS today and tried reloading some nosler 158gr HP's.
It worked alot better than the SWC plug

but it still changed the shape of the lead tip.
It starts off as a cone shape and when I seat it it ends up a bowl shape.
Its hard to get it to seat exactly the same every time.
So what am I doing wrong now??

BTW. RCBS has VERY good customer service, they sent me all new plugs and lock rings and would not take $ for them.

tomh1426 · November 12, 2007, 12:38 PM

No one else has this problem?

Tim R · November 12, 2007, 02:13 PM

Might add a tad more bell.

tomh1426 · November 12, 2007, 02:54 PM

Ill try that, I have it set like the manual says " Case mouth should be belled just enough to accept bullet when place on top of the case-no more!"
I have some empty brass, Ill try it later today.
Thanks, Tom

tomh1426 · November 12, 2007, 05:34 PM

still rounds them, i guess im gunna shootem and see how they work
the smush dosent bother me as much as diff seating depth

Tim R · November 12, 2007, 11:08 PM

One option then would be to send a seat plug and a bullet to RCBS and let then build a custom seat plug. I get minor lead deformation using bulk Remington 38 bullets but the ones you are using did not deform so much for me.

tomh1426 · November 12, 2007, 11:37 PM

Well after I use these up I think Im just gunna try a diff bullet.
I wasent having any problems at all with the Nosler silhouette's besides finding them locally.
I tried plated bullets and they are ok
I should seat and pull one and send it to RCBS along with a untouched one and see what they do.
I think Its asking alot but wth

Tim R · November 13, 2007, 01:04 AM

Working over a seat plug for a particular bullet is a service RCBS has provided for a long time.

tomh1426 · November 13, 2007, 01:48 AM

Really
Its amazing how far they go to make us happy
Ill callem tomarrow.
Hope I dont have this same problem loading cast .45C
Thanks Tim R I knew someone had the answer

tomh1426 · November 13, 2007, 04:46 PM

I just called them, they asked for 3 sample bullets and $19.95
If I knew that I was gunna shoot alot of these I would do it but I just started reloading and would like to try diff bullets.
Its nice to know I can have it done but for now Ill wait.
I bet I could turn my own
thanks, Tom

joneb · November 13, 2007, 05:39 PM

I wonder if a cone shaped cavity in the seating plug would work better ?
You could try seating and crimping as two separate steps.

tomh1426 · November 13, 2007, 05:57 PM

Get another die just for crimping or adjust my die and make it a two step process?

joneb · November 13, 2007, 08:27 PM

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Get another die just for crimping or adjust my die and make it a two step process?

It would be worth trying and if it helps look for a used set of dies I've seen RCBS .38 die sets for $5 at gun shows. When I seat hollow points I do it slowly this seems to help. The RCBS sizing die may size more than it needs to, but this does seem to work well with plated bullets.

crowbeaner · November 14, 2007, 07:04 PM

I had that problem for awhile, and 2 things I did were to bell the case mouth more, and seat and crimp in 2 seperate steps. The pressure required on the nose of the bullet when you crimp is what is deforming the nose. Since I did these 2 things everything has been fine. CB.

tomh1426 · November 14, 2007, 07:34 PM

ill give it a try, right now I gotta shoot some so I can loadem again.

November 10, 2007, 11:54 PM	#1
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	Smushing lead HP's Ok I got the round seating plug from RCBS today and tried reloading some nosler 158gr HP's. It worked alot better than the SWC plug but it still changed the shape of the lead tip. It starts off as a cone shape and when I seat it it ends up a bowl shape. Its hard to get it to seat exactly the same every time. So what am I doing wrong now?? BTW. RCBS has VERY good customer service, they sent me all new plugs and lock rings and would not take $ for them.

November 12, 2007, 02:13 PM	#3
Tim R Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Location: God's side of Washington State Posts: 1,601	Might add a tad more bell. __________________ God Bless our Troops especially our Snipers.

November 12, 2007, 05:34 PM	#5
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	still rounds them, i guess im gunna shootem and see how they work the smush dosent bother me as much as diff seating depth Last edited by tomh1426; November 12, 2007 at 10:04 PM.

November 12, 2007, 11:08 PM	#6
Tim R Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Location: God's side of Washington State Posts: 1,601	One option then would be to send a seat plug and a bullet to RCBS and let then build a custom seat plug. I get minor lead deformation using bulk Remington 38 bullets but the ones you are using did not deform so much for me. __________________ God Bless our Troops especially our Snipers.

November 13, 2007, 01:04 AM	#8
Tim R Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Location: God's side of Washington State Posts: 1,601	Working over a seat plug for a particular bullet is a service RCBS has provided for a long time. __________________ God Bless our Troops especially our Snipers.

November 12, 2007, 12:38 PM	#2
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	No one else has this problem?

November 12, 2007, 02:54 PM	#4
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	Ill try that, I have it set like the manual says " Case mouth should be belled just enough to accept bullet when place on top of the case-no more!" I have some empty brass, Ill try it later today. Thanks, Tom

November 12, 2007, 11:37 PM	#7
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	Well after I use these up I think Im just gunna try a diff bullet. I wasent having any problems at all with the Nosler silhouette's besides finding them locally. I tried plated bullets and they are ok I should seat and pull one and send it to RCBS along with a untouched one and see what they do. I think Its asking alot but wth

November 13, 2007, 01:48 AM	#9
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	Really Its amazing how far they go to make us happy Ill callem tomarrow. Hope I dont have this same problem loading cast .45C Thanks Tim R I knew someone had the answer

November 13, 2007, 04:46 PM	#10
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	I just called them, they asked for 3 sample bullets and $19.95 If I knew that I was gunna shoot alot of these I would do it but I just started reloading and would like to try diff bullets. Its nice to know I can have it done but for now Ill wait. I bet I could turn my own thanks, Tom

November 13, 2007, 05:39 PM	#11
joneb Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2005 Location: Central , OR Posts: 1,888	I wonder if a cone shaped cavity in the seating plug would work better ? You could try seating and crimping as two separate steps.

November 13, 2007, 05:57 PM	#12
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	Get another die just for crimping or adjust my die and make it a two step process?

November 14, 2007, 07:04 PM	#14
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,943	I had that problem for awhile, and 2 things I did were to bell the case mouth more, and seat and crimp in 2 seperate steps. The pressure required on the nose of the bullet when you crimp is what is deforming the nose. Since I did these 2 things everything has been fine. CB. __________________ If you want your children to follow in your footsteps, be careful where you walk. Beware the man that only owns one gun; he probably knows how to use it. I just hope my ship comes in before my dock rots.

November 14, 2007, 07:34 PM	#15
tomh1426 Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2005 Location: Youngtown Arizona Posts: 1,135	ill give it a try, right now I gotta shoot some so I can loadem again.