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January 7, 2013, 07:03 AM | #1 |
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Where is this new stat coming from?
I am suddenly hearing this new statistic:
"40 percent of guns are sold without a background check" Which is quoted in story after story I have seen it attributed to The Brady Campaign and to Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Where is it from? And how did they arrive at that estimate? I've seem it thrown around attacking Gun shows and private sales as though it were hard documented fact. |
January 7, 2013, 07:41 AM | #2 |
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Found something - a Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health - a paper that reads like a talking points memo for gun control - the paper references:
"Data from a nationally representative sample of gun owners indicate that 40 percent of firearm acquisitions are from individuals who are not licensed gun dealers." While the rest of the paper seemingly has footnotes for most references, there is no reference for this statistic, just the statement itself. However, there is no way to even theoretically regulate private sales without registration of all guns. So they get two birds with one stone. Of course rarely say - "We want to ban all private sales and register all guns." that would lose support so they say "We must close the loophole that allows 40 percent of all guns to be sold without a background check." Still wonder about the documentation for that 40 percent figure - what those sales include - who did the survey - how was the survey conducted - how were gun owners chosen - how many were surveyed - where is the methodology and raw data available? |
January 7, 2013, 09:17 AM | #3 |
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I've never purchased a firearm without a background check up until I got a TX CHL, now I don't need a background check.
I was handed down an antique bolt action.
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January 7, 2013, 09:29 AM | #4 |
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Where is this new stat coming from
I wouldn't concern myself with the "Where" it's more about the "Why" and that can be responded to by saying it works as a persuasive tool for support from the uninformed/low knowledged/chicken little/gun control foamers voting bloc, by, shall we say, a biased media! TL
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January 7, 2013, 10:09 AM | #5 |
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I have bought and sold guns while at shows to/from individuals with no paperwork. (usually out in the parking lot) The thing is there is no possible way that anyone could have an accurate figure of how often this happens. So they just make one up. That works, right? It is just more brainwashing from the media.
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January 7, 2013, 10:35 AM | #6 | |
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It is a misleading statistic, and likely not empirically based. The relevant statistic would be "x% of NEW firearms are sold without a background check". But the percentage would be virtually zero, so that number isn't much help to the gun control crowd. They conveniently talk in terms of closing the "gun show loophole" when they are really pushing for a federal ban on unregulated private transfers of firearms within a state.
I just heard this morning that the big regional gun show in Ohio (Bill Goodmans) is now requiring ALL of their table/booth vendors to run background checks. From their website: Quote:
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January 7, 2013, 06:49 PM | #9 |
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If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes fact. The statistics don't matter as much as the message....if it's on TV (or the internet) it has to be true. Most people will never second guess it. We defenders of RKBA will question it, and the ANTIs will spout it....but the vast majority of the public is apathetic, so they will be swayed by what ever they hear the most often.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth. Mut most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." Winston Churchill
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Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms. Series: NIJ Research in Brief Published: May 1997 20 pages 41,893 bytes National Institute of Justice Research in Brief https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf Quote:
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January 7, 2013, 10:07 PM | #11 |
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Thanks for the information, very helpful. Must be hearing it now because it relates to the reported whitehouse desire to push to track all gun sales.
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January 7, 2013, 10:25 PM | #12 |
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Remember, 97.3 % of all statistics are just made up....
That's certainly true in this case, there is no way to determine how many firearms are sold privately in this country, not possible to quantify it without a lot of subjectivity. |
January 7, 2013, 11:38 PM | #13 |
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Well, they evidently did a survey of a sample of gun owners to estimate how guns are transferred or obtained. The accuracy would depend on a lot of factors such as the sample size, the representativeness of the sample, etc... But it is possible to estimate, just like political polling or surveying defensive gun use.
Information gleaned from news reports leads me to believe that gun control advocates are questioning whether or not they would be able to pass a straight up "assault weapon ban" or possibly even a magazine ban, so they are gearing up to also push for banning private sales and keeping a database of all sales and transfers - effectively creating a national registration of guns. That is their Holy Grail anyway as once they have that they can push piecemeal or wholesale gun bans - or so they seem to believe - and will know who has the guns to turn in. |
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