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Maybe it's just me, but if I see or know someone concealed carrying a single action revolver, I'm going to assume immediately that they know how to use it and use it well.
With that said, the only single action I carry is an NAA PUG as a backup in most cases (rarely as a primary) and thats for sized based reasons. I did toy with carrying a Bond Arms derringer for a bit, but that was more because I simply loved that silly thing. When practicality calls, its a J frame or G43 or maybe a .380 if I have to hover in the middle somewhere size wise. Last edited by BeornLS; March 1, 2018 at 02:25 PM. |
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That's what defensive shooting with a handgun is about. Have you ever seen anyone try to do it in a realistic defensive training scenario? Now, that question would apply to any kind of firearm--a derringer, a five shot light alloy snubby revolver, a little NAA .22, a very small compact semiautomatic with poor sights and a grip too small to support one's pinky.... One cannot confidently make any assumption whatsoever about a defender's ability on the basis of what he or she carries. One can, whoever, be fairly confident that if the carrier is trained and has practiced, he will do better if he has selected and trained with something that has a reasonably good sized grip, fairly low recoil, and a good trigger pull; that does not require a separate motion to disengage a safety; that does not require a separate motion between shots; that presents a low risk of hanging up on his clothing; and that has a fairly high round capacity. It is probably unlikely that any serious practitioners of concealed carry will be altogether happy with their first choice. I have an officer size steel ,45 single action automatic, but capacity and the impact of retail on rapidity if fire put it on reserve statue. I divested a compact 9mm that hurt my hand and replaced it with another model that I could shoot better, but then I found through experience, and unexpectedly. that the separate safety switch presented possible risks. I ended up with a compact double column 9 without a separate safety, after a lot of soul searching. For backup, I have a six shot concealed hammer steel revolver with an excellent trigger pull. I did not make those changes just to spend money. I did so after having availed myself of quality defensive training, listening to the insructor, and observing others with their choices. |
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How much of a Fudd would one have to be to argue that the SA revolver is a sensible choice for a CCW?
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March 1, 2018, 06:26 PM | #137 |
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The Fudd nonsense is real productive.
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One assumption that seems to have been made several times on this topic is that SA shooters are more accomplished than others with different types of handguns.
That's a pretty big assumption to make.
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The hammer configuration mitigates against a smooth draw from concealment. The heyday of the single action revolver as we know it today preceded the common practice of concealed carry by a very long time. Single action revolvers that were carried concealed, such as the S&W tip-ups, may have been the best they had at the time, but they did not long endure in the marketplace. |
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1. They are clueless or just showing off - Possible...but those types usually carry the really elaborate >$1000 setups. So unless they just got through watching their favorite western I would think this the least likely case. In this case I think they would be the 'Fudd' mentioned in this thread. Which makes me realize how much I miss the old Saturday morning cartoons. 2. They are carrying the only handgun they own, in which case I would presume they know how to use it. - Maybe...remember the old saying "beware the man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it" 3. They have reviewed their options and alternatives and came to the conclusion that even with all the better options available they can STILL use the single action better than any other alternative they have. - I consider this the most likely option. They probably are well versed on how to draw and shoot it, have practiced with it, etc. This is a decision that only the carrying person can make. At the end of the day, there is a remote possibility they are betting their life on this decision. So again, anyone of sound mind that makes this decision possibly betting their life on it...well I'm going to assume they are darn good with that single action. So that's how I draw my assumptions, basically a hypothesis so to speak. Always better to err on the side of caution. Again...this is all just my humble opinion. Not something I pushed on anyone, just a casual statement I made and my reply when inquired. Have a great day all! |
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Replicas of what could have been carried concealed in the day:
Cimarron Model "P" Jr. Cimarron Lightning The Bird's Head grip I think it is a fallacy that a hammer spur gets caught on clothing during the draw, since my thumb is held behind the hammer, ready to come up over and cock.
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Of course, it is not really possible to observe what someone does and understand why, and there are other possibilities. I would be interested in how many people started out with the idea of carrying a single action revolver concealed for purposes of self-protection and stuck with it after having availed themselves of some good defensive pistol shooting training. Quote:
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The only person I saw carrying a SA gun was in the boonies in TX. He was the local deputy. It was after an advanced handgun class. The class went to BBQ in a small joint. We had a reserved room for us. About 12 guys, all with concealed higher capacity semis. The deupty is wearing a big old cowboy hat and had a nickled SAA (or so it seemed) with a belt of rounds hung under his substantial belly. He gave us all the tough guy stink eye. If we were desperadoes - those six rounds, well ...
The debate is silly. I once drove across country in a old V-8 Pontiac with no AC in the summer time. Now I can in a nice SUV with AC and electronics. A concealed slingshot might work if you are David. I agree that idea that the person carrying it must be skilled beyond belief with it as compared to other guns, is simply Internet posturing.
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David was confident with his skill with a sling shot.
Have you run a SAA gun with simunition rounds in a realistic FOF scenario or two? Range times are nice when drawing against the static square target. OldM is discussing actual utility compared against modern guns. Any gun works in the good ol', draw the gun and wave it around in the no shots fired DGU. A flintlock might work. So what?
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Here's five shots in three secs with full power .454. Not exactly the same thing but it puts things in perspective when the speed of CAS shooters is disregarded.
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How fast might one need? An assailant closing in from a short distance can cover five meters in one second. How many hits Smith be required to hit anything important within his body isa matter of chance. Quote:
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I like shoot a .22 target semi-automatic and a big DA Smith, I used to like to shoot a Colt 1851 replica and my old .45 SAA, but I would not choose to carry any one of them concealed for self defense. Quote:
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