Deerfield ILL outlaws semi-auto rifles, shotguns & some handguns in your home

TXAZ · April 3, 2018, 09:10 PM

Got a muzzle brake on your gun? You're an outlaw.
Pistol grip? You're an outlaw.
"Protruding (anything that could be a) grip? You're an outlaw.
Folding, telesopic or thumbhole stock? You're an outlaw.
Barrel shroud? You're an outlaw.
etc, etc. You're an outlaw.

So if the bad guys from the southside know that Deerfield has become disarmed, what do you think the burglary and home invasion rate will be?

Here's the text of the new law effective in 2 months:
Text of Deerfield gun ban

Here's an article from WGN on their take.

Deerfield ILL outlaws semis in your home

**Aguila Blanca** · April 3, 2018, 09:53 PM

What about the shoulder thing that goes up?

SSA · April 3, 2018, 10:08 PM

Deerfield. Low crime.
And soon, nothing to defend themselves with but 1911's, and 10 shot Glocks, and 12 gauge shotguns, and hunting rifles.

Salmoneye · April 4, 2018, 06:51 AM

I was under the delusion that Ill. had state preemption on 'assault weapons' bans unless the 'ban' was enacted prior to 2013...

**Aguila Blanca** · April 4, 2018, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salmoneye

I was under the delusion that Ill. had state preemption on 'assault weapons' bans unless the 'ban' was enacted prior to 2013...

Preemption doesn't stop local governments unless it has significant monetary teeth. There's a video that I saw on Youtube a couple of years back of a municipal council meeting somewhere at which an anti-gun ordinance was being debated. A member of the audience commented that the proposed ordinance couldn't be enforced because the state (whatever state it was) had preemption on firearms laws. One of the councilmen then stated that he didn't care if the state had preemption and the ordinance couldn't be enforced, he was going to vote for the ordinance anyway "because we have to do something."

There's no cure for that.

Onward Allusion · April 4, 2018, 07:03 AM

^^^^
Interesting that the Chicago media mentioned nothing about preemption and that the law is unenforceable.

Hal · April 4, 2018, 08:11 AM

Quote:

I was under the delusion that Ill. had state preemption on 'assault weapons' bans unless the 'ban' was enacted prior to 2013...

Read the link ----that's addressed in the first two paragraphs..

Interesting document/law.

Not only active LEO is exempt but also retired.
I don't recall that being done before - creating two distinct classes of citizens.

Evan Thomas · April 4, 2018, 12:12 PM

I've edited or deleted several posts. Discuss without overt or covert allusions to race. Otherwise, expect consequences.

JWT · April 4, 2018, 05:04 PM

Deerfield town fathers certainly have a very broad brush when it comes to painting what an assault gun is. Enforcement should be interesting. Will they demand access to homes to inspect what the owner has for firearms?....

Glenn E. Meyer · April 4, 2018, 06:05 PM

The San Antonio area just went through a wave of small towns surrounding or embedded in the city, taking OC for long arm laws off the books. They were challenged in a way that some saw as obnoxious but legal. State law forbid the local law.

It was the case that San Antonio itself had such a law and the cops said they would enforce despite the state laws. That changed.

The reason for the SA law was that during the period that SKS rifles were dirt cheap, they were the gun of choice for gangs. The cops wanted to harass and bust gang members who drove around with them.

Armed_Chicagoan · April 4, 2018, 07:54 PM

The NRA and Guns Save Life are filing suit: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...nois-lawsuit-1

SSA · April 4, 2018, 09:04 PM

Deerfield borders Highland Park. Both are nice, peaceful towns.
Highland Park has already had a similar ban in place for at least a few years, and that ban has survived legal challenges.
Any suit from the NRA or Guns Save Life sounds like a fundraising ploy.

rickyrick · April 5, 2018, 11:55 AM

Do they have a registration there?

tony pasley · April 6, 2018, 12:34 PM

we will see how it compares
http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=...atrol%20rifles

Glenn E. Meyer · April 6, 2018, 12:54 PM

There is some discussion of state pre-emption laws not allowing this ban. However, I am not expert enough to comment on that validity.

The Highland ban still stands I am told as Scalia's prose in Heller was convincing to the lower court.

Note that legislation proposed in Congress to negate state bans went nowhere as other priorities were paramount of the minds of the party in control.

TXAZ · April 6, 2018, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer

There is some discussion of state pre-emption laws not allowing this ban. However, I am not expert enough to comment on that validity.

The Highland ban still stands I am told as Scalia's prose in Heller was convincing to the lower court.

Note that legislation proposed in Congress to negate state bans went nowhere as other priorities were paramount of the minds of the party in control.

I would love to read Frank Ettin's take on the IL pre-emption law.
Frank?

USAFNoDak · April 11, 2018, 09:14 AM

There was some talk about the fact that Deerfield had an ordinance dealing with certain types of firearms prior to the IL preemption law of 2003. The IL law states that laws in place prior to the preemption law could stand and be amended, but no new laws could be passed. Deerfield is claiming that they only amended their existing law, even though this new law has some very new regulations in it, as a new law would be. That's what I've heard the new lawsuits brought by ISRA and NRA are about; preemption. The suits filed are not about 2nd amendment violations. If what I read is not correct, I hope someone will provide the correct information.

**44 AMP** · April 11, 2018, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Deerfield is claiming that they only amended their existing law, even though this new law has some very new regulations in it,...

Perhaps they are "amending" the old law the same way one repairs an old worn out truck by jacking up the radiator cap....

You jack up the radiator cap, drag the old truck out from under it, slide in a new truck, jack the cap back down and screw it on tight. Looks like they got the screw it part right, anyway...

Armed_Chicagoan · June 12, 2018, 07:06 PM

Finally some sanity! A judge today blocked the ordinance from going into effect: https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...go-into-effect

The only rational ruling, because otherwise state preemption of local gun bans would be meaningless.

KY_blkout · June 13, 2018, 04:33 AM

Nice to see a judge in or around Chicago that has some sense.

Armed_Chicagoan · June 13, 2018, 06:17 PM

Here's the order in the Deerfield case: https://www.scribd.com/document/3817...lt-Weapons-Ban

April 3, 2018, 09:10 PM	#1
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Deerfield ILL outlaws semi-auto rifles, shotguns & some handguns in your home Got a muzzle brake on your gun? You're an outlaw. Pistol grip? You're an outlaw. "Protruding (anything that could be a) grip? You're an outlaw. Folding, telesopic or thumbhole stock? You're an outlaw. Barrel shroud? You're an outlaw. etc, etc. You're an outlaw. So if the bad guys from the southside know that Deerfield has become disarmed, what do you think the burglary and home invasion rate will be? Here's the text of the new law effective in 2 months: Text of Deerfield gun ban Here's an article from WGN on their take. Deerfield ILL outlaws semis in your home __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

April 3, 2018, 10:08 PM	#3
SSA Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 641	Deerfield. Low crime. And soon, nothing to defend themselves with but 1911's, and 10 shot Glocks, and 12 gauge shotguns, and hunting rifles. Last edited by Evan Thomas; April 4, 2018 at 12:10 PM. Reason: allusion to race.

April 4, 2018, 07:03 AM	#6
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	^^^^ Interesting that the Chicago media mentioned nothing about preemption and that the law is unenforceable. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying Last edited by Evan Thomas; April 4, 2018 at 09:09 AM. Reason: corrected spelling.

April 4, 2018, 12:12 PM	#8
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	I've edited or deleted several posts. Discuss without overt or covert allusions to race. Otherwise, expect consequences. __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

April 4, 2018, 06:05 PM	#10
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	The San Antonio area just went through a wave of small towns surrounding or embedded in the city, taking OC for long arm laws off the books. They were challenged in a way that some saw as obnoxious but legal. State law forbid the local law. It was the case that San Antonio itself had such a law and the cops said they would enforce despite the state laws. That changed. The reason for the SA law was that during the period that SKS rifles were dirt cheap, they were the gun of choice for gangs. The cops wanted to harass and bust gang members who drove around with them. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

April 3, 2018, 09:53 PM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,457	What about the shoulder thing that goes up?

April 4, 2018, 06:51 AM	#4
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	I was under the delusion that Ill. had state preemption on 'assault weapons' bans unless the 'ban' was enacted prior to 2013...

April 4, 2018, 05:04 PM	#9
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Deerfield town fathers certainly have a very broad brush when it comes to painting what an assault gun is. Enforcement should be interesting. Will they demand access to homes to inspect what the owner has for firearms?....

April 4, 2018, 07:54 PM	#11
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	The NRA and Guns Save Life are filing suit: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...nois-lawsuit-1

April 4, 2018, 09:04 PM	#12
SSA Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Posts: 641	Deerfield borders Highland Park. Both are nice, peaceful towns. Highland Park has already had a similar ban in place for at least a few years, and that ban has survived legal challenges. Any suit from the NRA or Guns Save Life sounds like a fundraising ploy.

April 5, 2018, 11:55 AM	#13
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Do they have a registration there?

April 6, 2018, 12:34 PM	#14
tony pasley Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2006 Location: western north carolina Posts: 1,641	we will see how it compares http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=...atrol%20rifles __________________ Every day Congress is in session we lose a little bit more of our Liberty.

April 6, 2018, 12:54 PM	#15
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	There is some discussion of state pre-emption laws not allowing this ban. However, I am not expert enough to comment on that validity. The Highland ban still stands I am told as Scalia's prose in Heller was convincing to the lower court. Note that legislation proposed in Congress to negate state bans went nowhere as other priorities were paramount of the minds of the party in control. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

April 11, 2018, 09:14 AM	#17
USAFNoDak Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2000 Location: Minnesota, Twin Cities Posts: 1,076	There was some talk about the fact that Deerfield had an ordinance dealing with certain types of firearms prior to the IL preemption law of 2003. The IL law states that laws in place prior to the preemption law could stand and be amended, but no new laws could be passed. Deerfield is claiming that they only amended their existing law, even though this new law has some very new regulations in it, as a new law would be. That's what I've heard the new lawsuits brought by ISRA and NRA are about; preemption. The suits filed are not about 2nd amendment violations. If what I read is not correct, I hope someone will provide the correct information. __________________ "If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams.

June 12, 2018, 07:06 PM	#19
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	Finally some sanity! A judge today blocked the ordinance from going into effect: https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...go-into-effect The only rational ruling, because otherwise state preemption of local gun bans would be meaningless.

June 13, 2018, 04:33 AM	#20
KY_blkout Member Join Date: June 10, 2018 Posts: 67	Nice to see a judge in or around Chicago that has some sense.

June 13, 2018, 06:17 PM	#21
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	Here's the order in the Deerfield case: https://www.scribd.com/document/3817...lt-Weapons-Ban

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