February 2, 2011, 06:49 PM | #1 |
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Leading
I'm real new at this but have been reading alot about leading. I want to load my kimber custom ll with 200 gr SWC. Bought them at Missouri bullets. I'll be using Win 231 with Starlite cases and CCI lp primers. Working on the loads now. My questions are:
1) What is leading in a barrel? How do I recognize it and what are the main causes of it. 2) If I do manage to lead my barrel what is the best way to remove it? Really appreciate all the experts here, I've learned soooo much from you guys. Thanx |
February 2, 2011, 07:12 PM | #2 |
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February 2, 2011, 07:21 PM | #3 |
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Those leading pictures show pretty severe leading. You may have a much lighter version of leading.
If you have significant leading, the Lewis Lead remover works very well. Wrapping a some threads from a pure copper Chore Boy around a brass brush is good to remove the last bits. Starting with a barrel with no lead or copper will help prevent leading. If you think your barrel is clean, shine a light from one end and look down the other end. You can see the deposits and build up. |
February 2, 2011, 07:45 PM | #4 |
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Leading is a function of the softness of the lead and the velocity you are shooting it at. That is why lead loads are normally kept below 800 fps. It is also one of the benefits of plated and jacketed bullets.
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February 2, 2011, 08:06 PM | #5 |
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Common causes for leading in the barrel:
Bullet sized too large for your barrel Bullet sized too small for your barrel Bullet too soft Bullet too hard Velocity too high Rough or irregular bore A lot of times, it's kind of trial and error for an individual gun, load, velocity, and bullet size and hardness. I shoot them all the time in my Colt 45. I typically run velocities up to about 900 fps so I use cast bullets with a hardness of around 12 for that one. For my .44 mag, I shoot loads at about 1100-1200 fps so I use harder bullets, about 18 or so. Same way for the .357 loads. They run at around 1250-1300 fps so I use bullets at about 18 BHN. No leading. But for my .480 Ruger, those loads can get up to 1400 or more, so I use a gas check on the cast bullets, and they are pretty hard too. So far, I haven't tried cast bullets in the .454 Casull, but other people do it all the time with velocities over 1500 fps. |
February 2, 2011, 08:57 PM | #6 | |
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Missouri Bullets Facebook "Discussions" page has a nice article on leading:
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February 3, 2011, 10:07 AM | #7 |
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I disagree with you on that. I shoot alota air cooled WW bullets going alot faster than that. Pressure and fit has way more to do with the load than speed does. |
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http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=1...100036_d_10190
I shoot a lot of 230 gr Missouri bullets out of my Spingfield Armory 1911 (mid-range charge of bullseye). I haven't had any leading problems. That picture was an extreme example of what not to do with cast. Every now & then I find a slight bit of lead residue, Nothing a normal brass brush+Hoppe's can't fix. If you wish to push to higher velocities, puchase the Lewis Lead Remover, just in case.
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February 3, 2011, 02:08 PM | #9 |
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I have to disagree with PA Joe also. I push cast way faster than 800 without leading. Bore fit and hardness.
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February 3, 2011, 04:14 PM | #10 |
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Avoid leading with bore fit, hardness AND a good lube. If you want to avoid leading use the old NRA formula lube, 50:50 Beeswax and Alox.
Lots of ways to remove lead from a bore but just pushing a good condition bore brush through the barrel enough times will do it. I once cleaned the bore of a 6" .357 that had been leaded so bad the riflling didn't show, the owner thought his barrel was totally shot out! Took about 30 minutes to completely clean it. (Got to prevent letting the rod rub against the sides of the bore to avoid accuracy destroying wear.) |
February 3, 2011, 05:23 PM | #11 |
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The single biggest contributor to leading is lead.
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February 3, 2011, 09:18 PM | #12 |
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I get very minimal leading at the chamber end shooting Missouri Bullets 9mm, 40S&W and 45ACP bullets (Lone Wolf barrels for 9mm/40S&W and M&P factory for 45ACP). I get no leading in stainless steel Kimber barrels for 45ACP.
What little fouling/leading I get, they are removed easily with old bore brush wrapped with copper scrubber like Chore Boy dipped in Hoppes #9. Few strokes and barrels are clean. |
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As already stated, it is all about proper fit. If the bullets "fits" (meaning it is generally 1-2 thousandths over groove diameter), you do not need to be as picky as how "hard" your alloy is. Harder is NOT always better. I shoot air cooled WWs over 2200 fps in my 454 casull (using a gas check, of course... ). Generally, I can get to about 1250-1300 fps without a gas check and no leading (although pressure is a better gauge for when a gas check is needed, IMO). You will know when you have leading, trust me. COPPER....COPPER....COPPER Chore boys will de-lead any barrel quickly. Peel off a few strands and wrap around a cleaning brush so the fit is nice and tight in the barrel and you will be good to go. Did I mention to make sure it is a COPPER chore boy?
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February 4, 2011, 07:28 AM | #14 |
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I understand that you can shoot lead bullets at more than 800 FPS but then you have to cast special alloys or use gas checks. The new reloader may not have a good enough knowledge about casting bullets to shoot above 800 FPS.
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I’ve been shooting cast WW, no gas check, at max load of 296 in my Model 29 for years (1200 fps or so) and never any leading.
Hot? Yes... Accurate? Not so much... Fun to shoot? Definitely.....
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