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Old December 6, 2018, 12:10 PM   #1
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Trading XDSC 9mm for G19 (Or G23)

So I think I’ve finally made up my mind. Everyone in my family seems to be joining the Flock of Block Glocks in 9mm. I’ve always been a fan of more rounds and longer barrels. But my current gun has the 3 inch barrel. And this will be a CCW gun too. So I have a few questions that I’d like to get answered if anyone can help.

1) Concealing a G19? How hard is it? From my understanding the length isn’t much longer than my current piece (like .60??) And I’m a big dude anyway. I live in Florida, so printing is easily done in the wrong clothing. Would it be about the same? I already dress around the gun. I just don’t have anyone with a ccw setup for the G19 (brother in law uses a 17 and he is LEO...so a bit different for him).

2) Thar extra barrel length? Does it help? 4 inch barrel vs 3 inch on my current.

3) I guess my biggest questions are is there a downside? Is there something I’m not thinking about. I like the idea of a longer barrel, concealable to the same degree (ish), and MUCH cheaper/available everything else.

I would likely just trade the old gun with accessories in, get a Galco hard IWB plastic holster (because I love my current one), and maybe 1 extra mag. Out the door I would probably spend $250 ish unless I upgrade to .40. But then...that may not be a huge upgrade from what I hear about the calibers (the performance increased negated by increased round count training and blah blah blah...not a caliber debate).


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Old December 6, 2018, 12:32 PM   #2
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I find the Glock 19 fairly easy to conceal well IWB and fairly comfortable too but everyone is different. I CCW mine often. A good belt can make a lot of difference also. I wear a Beltman Bullhide gun belt. Holster is Ozark single clip kydex IWB.



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Old December 6, 2018, 12:42 PM   #3
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I find the Glock 19 fairly easy to conceal well IWB and fairly comfortable too but everyone is different. I CCW mine often. A good belt can make a lot of difference also. I wear a Beltman Bullhide gun belt. Holster is Ozark single clip kydex IWB.









Amen to belt. I’ve had the same leather belt for...9 years. Wore the name off it. Thing is stout. And carry looks the same as mine (though I do wear dry fit which means I have to be careful and make sure it is big).


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Old December 6, 2018, 01:46 PM   #4
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I carry a 2.0C (19 size clone) and Shield, and to me the thickness is a bigger difference than the barrel or grip length. I'm 6' and about 170 so fairly thin, and I find that the Shield conceals quite a bit better and easier so I tend to carry it more in the summer or in indoor settings. I'm not real committed to "dressing around" my gun, though. The bigger gun is easier to shoot, faster and more naturally accurate plus has roughly double the round count, so it has some definite advantages.
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Old December 6, 2018, 01:52 PM   #5
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G19 is cake to conceal.

Then again my SIG P226 is fairly easy in my day in/day out clothing. Work, however is a little different.

For work I mainly carry my HK USP 9 Compact. The Glock 19 and Smith and Wesson 2.0 Compact are both just as easy.
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Old December 6, 2018, 02:52 PM   #6
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So I think I’ve finally made up my mind. Everyone in my family seems to be joining the Flock of Block Glocks in 9mm. I’ve always been a fan of more rounds and longer barrels. But my current gun has the 3 inch barrel. And this will be a CCW gun too. So I have a few questions that I’d like to get answered if anyone can help.
MMmmm. OK, "shoot".

I have a 3" XD subcompact and a 4 inch Glock 19. And a XD Service size. The XD-s are heavier and slightly larger than what you would think are the corresponding guns in the Glock line. The XDSC is pretty darn close to equivalent to the G19. IMHO & YMMV.

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1) Concealing a G19? How hard is it? From my understanding the length isn’t much longer than my current piece (like .60??) And I’m a big dude anyway. I live in Florida, so printing is easily done in the wrong clothing. Would it be about the same? I already dress around the gun. I just don’t have anyone with a ccw setup for the G19 (brother in law uses a 17 and he is LEO...so a bit different for him).
Can be done.

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2) Thar extra barrel length? Does it help? 4 inch barrel vs 3 inch on my current.
Probably. In my experience, yes. I have a 3" XD subcompact, and a 4 inch XD. And a 4 inch G19. The 4 inch guns is easier to shoot well. (Part of that is the longer grip.)

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3) I guess my biggest questions are is there a downside? Is there something I’m not thinking about. I like the idea of a longer barrel, concealable to the same degree (ish), and MUCH cheaper/available everything else.
Look into getting one of Tau Development Group's striker control devices. An extra bit of safety when re-hosltering the Glock.

Folks complain about the grip size and angle. If it turns out not to be for you, don't be drama prone. Just sell it and move on.

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I would likely just trade the old gun with accessories in, get a Galco hard IWB plastic holster (because I love my current one), and maybe 1 extra mag. Out the door I would probably spend $250 ish unless I upgrade to .40. But then...that may not be a huge upgrade from what I hear about the calibers (the performance increased negated by increased round count training and blah blah blah...not a caliber debate).
Gun shop won't give you much in trade.
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Old December 6, 2018, 02:55 PM   #7
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So I think I’ve finally made up my mind. Everyone in my family seems to be joining the Flock of Block Glocks in 9mm. I’ve always been a fan of more rounds and longer barrels. But my current gun has the 3 inch barrel. And this will be a CCW gun too. So I have a few questions that I’d like to get answered if anyone can help.
And, why? Is the XD subcompact not doing something you want? Or just looking for something different?
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Old December 6, 2018, 05:12 PM   #8
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MMmmm. OK, "shoot".



I have a 3" XD subcompact and a 4 inch Glock 19. And a XD Service size. The XD-s are heavier and slightly larger than what you would think are the corresponding guns in the Glock line. The XDSC is pretty darn close to equivalent to the G19. IMHO & YMMV.







Can be done.







Probably. I have a 3" XD subcompact, and a 4 inch XD. The 4 inch is easier to shoot well.





Look into getting one of Tau Development Group's striker control devices. An extra bit of safety when re-hosltering the Glock.







Gun shop won't give you much in trade.


I’m not expecting to get much in trade-in but there is a gem of a store that has great cash prices in my area. And they deal a lot in used firearms. They have a good rep on that. They have an indoor range so that helps.


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Old December 6, 2018, 05:16 PM   #9
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And, why? Is the XD subcompact not doing something you want? Or just looking for something different?


The XD is a good gun. But if I could go back? I would’ve gotten a Glock. Between holsters, parts, mags, and so on. That extra on the barrel is really calling to me too.


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Old December 6, 2018, 05:39 PM   #10
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So I think I’ve finally made up my mind. Everyone in my family seems to be joining the Flock of Block Glocks in 9mm. I’ve always been a fan of more rounds and longer barrels. But my current gun has the 3 inch barrel. And this will be a CCW gun too. So I have a few questions that I’d like to get answered if anyone can help.

1) Concealing a G19? How hard is it? From my understanding the length isn’t much longer than my current piece (like .60??) And I’m a big dude anyway. I live in Florida, so printing is easily done in the wrong clothing. Would it be about the same? I already dress around the gun. I just don’t have anyone with a ccw setup for the G19 (brother in law uses a 17 and he is LEO...so a bit different for him).
It's not hard to CC a G19. I did it for 3-4 years, primarily using an IWB hybrid holsters. I cc'd that way in everything from yard work clothes to suits, but I admittedly don't live in FL. If I were going to put together a carry setup for a G19 from scratch, I'd go with a Stealthgear Revolution for IWB, a DeSantis Speed Scabbard for OWB, and get a mag pouch for the opposite side of the body.
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2) Thar extra barrel length? Does it help? 4 inch barrel vs 3 inch on my current.
I'll leave that one to better shooters than myself.
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3) I guess my biggest questions are is there a downside? Is there something I’m not thinking about. I like the idea of a longer barrel, concealable to the same degree (ish), and MUCH cheaper/available everything else.
Because I spend so much time in dress clothes, I finally downsized to a S&W Shield. If I lived more of my life in jeans or cargo pants, I'd likely still CC a G19. In fact, I often do still CC it when I'm not going to work.
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Old December 8, 2018, 09:11 AM   #11
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I sometimes CCW my Glock 19 using a Raven Concealment small, minimalist holster. In FL, as it gets warmer..you may want to look at a Bladetech Klipt or Vedder that keeps the gun off your stomach. I also have a G17(which I also carry sometimes, gonna today)..longer barrel but it's IWB so it doesn't make that much difference..the grip is a little longer but again, no big deal..G19 is pretty easy, get a good belt. It's certainly not heavy, compard to some of the monsters I see some carry but it's not sub 1 pound like my G42. Shooting compared to my son't G43 or my G42?..no difference in accuracy, for me...I did get a brighter front sight for all of them for my crappy, 68 year old, wearing bifocals, with a bit of double vision in RH eye, eyes..
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Old December 8, 2018, 11:49 AM   #12
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I guess my biggest questions are is there a downside?
Yes, trading the Springer!
It's a great gun so keep it. Just cut back on the Latres, lunches out, what ever to save enough to buy the Glock outright.

I made a similar change to my carry choice. Be it paranoia, or reality it seems bad guys are traveling more in packs these days. So round count took precedent over caliber. My Springer XD40 Sub Compact has been replaced in my carry rotation, but not my safe with a Sig P320 Carry in 9MM. 17+1 rounds of Federal HST 147 gr. over 9 (or 12) +1 of Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 40 S&W.
I don't have any problem concealing the Sig's full size grip with the compact size upper. Carries comfortably, conceals well, and shoots great.
On that note, you might want to try a G19X on for size. In a similar fashion to my Sig, the Glock is a full size G17 frame with a G19 slide.
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On that note, you might want to try a G19X on for size. In a similar fashion to my Sig, the Glock is a full size G17 frame with a G19 slide.
I just got one of these for my G-19 when using a 17r G-17 magazine..'feels' like my G-17 now..YMMV and all that.
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Old Yesterday, 01:56 PM   #14
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As another user pointed out...didn’t Springfield do some pretty anti 2nd amendment stuff recently? I guess I have some reading to do now. :sigh:


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My CZ P-07 is almost identical to the G19 in size and it's very easy to conceal in a good AIWB holster. I will say that it can make an obvious lump, but doesn't print like a gun. And the lump is only obvious to me, and only under a tighter shirt. Nobody looks there anyway and if they do they might just think I need a few trips to the treadmill

I had the XD subcompact and loved it, but I found I'm more accurate with a longer barrel. It's probably entirely because of the extra sight radius. I've begun shooting primarily with a red dot and so that sight radius is probably no longer important.

I also think it's time everyone let Springfield down off the gallows now. The company has explained and profusely apologized for the political stuff over a year ago and we have enough groups who truly do hate the second amendment, that I don't see the value in cannibalizing a major firearms maker. Maybe that's just me.
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