410 usefulness - Page 3

Pistolgripshotty · October 8, 2012, 04:47 AM

I wouldn't hand him a shotgun yet not to say he can't handle it or nothing. Its just better to wait till he is about 13 and hand him that 20 ga. like you learned! At 9 years old a .25 acp is his best bet. Have fun because I know he is impatient my son is too about this stuff! They growing up too fast.

340 Weatherby · October 10, 2012, 02:12 AM

In todays world I think you need to capture your sons interest while he is interested. Good for you for getting him started early and I hope he's a shooter for life.

jimbob86 · October 11, 2012, 08:08 AM

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At 9 years old a .25 acp is his best bet.

For hunting? That chambered in an appropriate gun? Most .25's I have seen are CCW pieces.....

For plinking, a .22 beats .25 on cost alone.

My boy is turning 10 here in a few weeks ..... I am looking hard for a 20 guage youth model.

Ricklin · October 12, 2012, 06:14 AM

It's important to note that you save a whole bunch more $$$$ in 28 and .410 when you reload.
12 and 20 gauge are a commodity and priced that way. The small gauges are much higher priced, they also take less lead and powder per round.

Savings are substantial, comparatively. And the time spent with the kid............priceless.

Gdawgs · October 12, 2012, 06:37 AM

I'm not quite understanding the 25 ACP comment either. For hunting squirrel or other small game, the 410 or the .22 work great. If he wants to shoot something with a little more oomph at the range, I let him shoot some of my revolvers, 38 spec(Dan Wesson 357) or 44 Spec.(Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 Mag) I make some wimpy rounds using Trail Boss powder, so they are easy shooting. But still way more power than a 25 auto.

As far as saving money reloading. We should be well over halfway to paying for the MEC reloader I bought.

tgreening · October 12, 2012, 08:13 AM

Despite the naysayers I think you'll be happy with that 410. Mine was a single shot I got for Christmas when I was about 12 yrs old. More years later than I'll admit to I still have it and all the fond memory's that go with it. It put a boatload of rabbit and bird on the table.

You might want to reconsider selling it. I've had mine for a longggg time and wouldn't give it up for anything even though it hasn't been fired in decades....

publius · October 12, 2012, 10:28 PM

My first gun was an H&R 410 that I got when I was 7. I shot it every weekend, at game during hunting season and blackbirds and whatever else I could find off-season. I think a 410, especially in single shot, teaches you to make your shot count and where to put that shot. When I was 10 I got a .20 ga. 1100. Didn't like it and went back to a 410 870. Still use a 410 Rem 11-48 for doves ( I'm 40).

noelf2 · October 19, 2012, 09:59 AM

I started out with an H&R topper Jr. 20 gauge at age 11. I wasn't a big kid. I still have it and still use it now and then. My daughters all used it. In a couple more years, my grandsons will be using it. We all did well without a 410. Not knocking the use of a .410 though. That's what my dad often used when we went squirrel and rabbit hunting.

Spindrift · October 19, 2012, 05:34 PM

I was watching an episode of Sons of guns and some big shot bow hunter came in and ordered a custom made something or other. It ended up being a 410 shotgun that shot arrows. I was laughing because they thought they'd created something new and hi tech. When we were kids many moons ago, we always shot aluminum arrows from our 410's. Never could extract one from a tree.

three-fifty-seven · October 20, 2012, 02:19 AM

Just get a 20 gauge shotgun and shoot low recoil ammo out of it.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/995...shot-box-of-25

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/719...shot-box-of-25

darkgael · October 20, 2012, 07:05 AM

Even low recoil 20s will have substantially more free recoil than a 2.5 inch .410 load....even when the .410s are fired in a lighter gun.
In either case, we are not looking at big figures....a bit under six ft.lbs FR for the .410 and a bit over nine for the low recoil 20s. Five and six pound guns, respectively.

three-fifty-seven · October 21, 2012, 02:59 AM

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Even low recoil 20s will have substantially more free recoil than a 2.5 inch .410 load....even when the .410s are fired in a lighter gun.
In either case, we are not looking at big figures....a bit under six ft.lbs FR for the .410 and a bit over nine for the low recoil 20s. Five and six pound guns, respectively.

Thank you for the numbers. Well with that recoil difference, if one shot a 20 gauge semi-auto then should help even the recoil.

darkgael · October 21, 2012, 04:12 AM

Make sure that the semi-auto will function with low recoil shells.
Pete

October 8, 2012, 04:47 AM	#51
Pistolgripshotty Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2012 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 184	I wouldn't hand him a shotgun yet not to say he can't handle it or nothing. Its just better to wait till he is about 13 and hand him that 20 ga. like you learned! At 9 years old a .25 acp is his best bet. Have fun because I know he is impatient my son is too about this stuff! They growing up too fast. __________________ *12 Gauge Fury!*

October 12, 2012, 06:14 AM	#54
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,013	The savings are there It's important to note that you save a whole bunch more $$$$ in 28 and .410 when you reload. 12 and 20 gauge are a commodity and priced that way. The small gauges are much higher priced, they also take less lead and powder per round. Savings are substantial, comparatively. And the time spent with the kid............priceless. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

October 12, 2012, 10:28 PM	#57
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	My first gun was an H&R 410 that I got when I was 7. I shot it every weekend, at game during hunting season and blackbirds and whatever else I could find off-season. I think a 410, especially in single shot, teaches you to make your shot count and where to put that shot. When I was 10 I got a .20 ga. 1100. Didn't like it and went back to a 410 870. Still use a 410 Rem 11-48 for doves ( I'm 40). __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

October 19, 2012, 09:59 AM	#58
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	I started out with an H&R topper Jr. 20 gauge at age 11. I wasn't a big kid. I still have it and still use it now and then. My daughters all used it. In a couple more years, my grandsons will be using it. We all did well without a 410. Not knocking the use of a .410 though. That's what my dad often used when we went squirrel and rabbit hunting. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

October 19, 2012, 05:34 PM	#59
Spindrift Member Join Date: October 14, 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 27	DON'T try this at home I was watching an episode of Sons of guns and some big shot bow hunter came in and ordered a custom made something or other. It ended up being a 410 shotgun that shot arrows. I was laughing because they thought they'd created something new and hi tech. When we were kids many moons ago, we always shot aluminum arrows from our 410's. Never could extract one from a tree. __________________ If you have nothing worth dying for, you have nothing worth living for.

October 10, 2012, 02:12 AM	#52
340 Weatherby Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2012 Posts: 139	In todays world I think you need to capture your sons interest while he is interested. Good for you for getting him started early and I hope he's a shooter for life.

October 12, 2012, 06:37 AM	#55
Gdawgs Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2009 Location: MN Posts: 656	I'm not quite understanding the 25 ACP comment either. For hunting squirrel or other small game, the 410 or the .22 work great. If he wants to shoot something with a little more oomph at the range, I let him shoot some of my revolvers, 38 spec(Dan Wesson 357) or 44 Spec.(Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 Mag) I make some wimpy rounds using Trail Boss powder, so they are easy shooting. But still way more power than a 25 auto. As far as saving money reloading. We should be well over halfway to paying for the MEC reloader I bought.

October 12, 2012, 08:13 AM	#56
tgreening Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2011 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 251	Despite the naysayers I think you'll be happy with that 410. Mine was a single shot I got for Christmas when I was about 12 yrs old. More years later than I'll admit to I still have it and all the fond memory's that go with it. It put a boatload of rabbit and bird on the table. You might want to reconsider selling it. I've had mine for a longggg time and wouldn't give it up for anything even though it hasn't been fired in decades....

October 20, 2012, 02:19 AM	#60
three-fifty-seven Member Join Date: August 9, 2012 Posts: 64	Just get a 20 gauge shotgun and shoot low recoil ammo out of it. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/995...shot-box-of-25 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/719...shot-box-of-25

October 20, 2012, 07:05 AM	#61
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	recoil Even low recoil 20s will have substantially more free recoil than a 2.5 inch .410 load....even when the .410s are fired in a lighter gun. In either case, we are not looking at big figures....a bit under six ft.lbs FR for the .410 and a bit over nine for the low recoil 20s. Five and six pound guns, respectively. __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

October 21, 2012, 04:12 AM	#63
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Maybe Make sure that the semi-auto will function with low recoil shells. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member