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Old March 20, 2010, 09:13 PM   #76
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A few minutes ago, this from the Wall Street Journal (I've added some selected quotes, click on the URL to read the entire article):
House leaders determined Saturday that they will stage a vote on the Senate's health-care bill, dropping a much-criticized strategy of allowing lawmakers to "deem" the landmark legislation into law. But the outcome of that vote remained in doubt as a pivotal bloc continued to hold out its support over the bill's abortion language.


Speaker Nancy Pelosi's decision to have the House hold two votes, one on the Senate bill and one on a separate package of revisions, reversed her position from earlier in the week, when she said she preferred to use a legislative procedure called "deem and pass." Republicans had accused Pelosi (D-Calif.) of trying to dodge responsibility for health reform, and even some Democrats complained about the move.


House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) hailed the change as "a victory for the American people," and he vowed to force Democrats to stand up, one by one, to announce their vote for the $940 billion bill. The measure contains a number of politically fraught provisions, including a special deal for Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) that would require taxpayers nationally to pay for an expansion of Medicaid in his state.

"Now House Democrats will face two crucial votes tomorrow," Boehner said in a statement. "They will have to vote on the Senate-passed bill, stuffed with tax hikes, Medicare cuts, and infamous backroom deals -- and they will vote on something worse: their 'fix' with more taxes, more Medicare cuts, and new special deals."

Later, Boehner told reporters: "This is not over. They do not have the votes yet. We've got to keep working to make sure that they never, ever, ever, ever get the votes to pass this bill."
So it looks like the self-enacting rule will not be used, tomorrow.

Still, in all, this is a bad thing for Americans looking for a smaller, leaner Federal Government.
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Old March 21, 2010, 08:04 AM   #77
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Curious. I can't help but wonder if those who cut the "special deals" will be praised or punished. All politics being local and all.

But barring a repeal of the 16th it will be hard to strike it down.
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Old March 21, 2010, 03:03 PM   #78
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Is buying health insurance an external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce, or is it more one of the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State?
The Federalist papers are not the basis of any US law. They're the interpretation of various people of how they believe the US constitution would work, as of a couple hundred years ago. Today, if you espoused some of the ideas there that the federal government had no business doing anything besides those few things, then there would be no case for preventing a state from totally banning firearms under the claim of "states' rights."

Bicycle helmets, motorcycle helmets, trigger locks, etc. It could get ugly. They can make us buy things 'just in case we need it', like life jackets, and other stuff we may never use, but they will force us to have, just in case.
No offense intended, but this is either paranoid or silly, depending on how you look at it. You're already required to own and use things like a bicycle or motorcycle helmet if you're engaging in those activities--otherwise a requirement for you to own them "just in case" would be laughed out of serious society.

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Old March 21, 2010, 03:50 PM   #79
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Well, that is the end of Freedom as we know it.
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Old March 21, 2010, 11:08 PM   #81
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All politics being local and all.
In a speech prior to tonight's House vote, Speaker Pelosi quoted Tip O'Neill on that. She then modified it to say, "all politics is personal."

Let's hope it becomes that way. We got here because of an apathetic populace who chose too late to get involved and become vocal.

And that's not just "everybody else." It's us, too. I've lost count of how many supposed "gun people" I've spoken with over the last couple of years who can't even name their Congressman.

Jeff Knox estimated that less than 6% of gun owners are politically active at all. From my firsthand experience, that's pretty close to the mark.

The Slaughter rule is unconstitutional. A great deal of what's going on right now is unconstitutional. It continues only because we allow it to. Make politics personal. Get in touch with your representatives. Organize letter-writing campaigns. Raise awareness.

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