May 25, 2016, 09:59 AM | #1 |
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Form 4473
Does a gun that qualifies as a C&R require filling out a 4473. If it does what is the advantage of it being a C&R. What are all the facts associated with a C&R. I'm looking at a wartime Hi Power that has German markings. I have never been interested in something like this before and I can't find much info on the BATF site.
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May 25, 2016, 01:38 PM | #2 |
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Depends.
If a non licensee buys a C&R from a dealer, yes, there must be a 4473. There is a type of FFL, 03 "Collector of Curios and Relics" if you hold this license, then you may or may not need a 4473 when buying from a dealer depending on local laws. If you hold an 03 FFL, in most states you can buy any firearm that is a C&R from outside your state, and have it shipped directly to you. That is the advantage of a firearm being a C&R. |
May 25, 2016, 01:45 PM | #3 |
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Thank you for your reply. I see now that none of this applies to me. But good information if I ever want to expand my horizons.
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May 25, 2016, 01:56 PM | #4 |
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The problem is that some FFL dealers won't recognize an 03FFL because they are too lazy to call BATF to verify its authenticity, in which case they will make you fill out a 4473 even if the gun itself is a C&R.
A C&R is any gun 50 years old or older OR it can also be less than 50 years old, but must be on BATF's C&R list. (For example: Interarms Parabellums were made in the late 60's to ca. 1975 and are considered C&Rs even though they are not 50 years old, but are on BATF's C&R list.) Specifically, if your Hi-Power has Nazi markings it is guaranteed to be over 50 years old, thus a C&R as defined by BATF. The C&R license is $30.00 for three years and you must keep a bound book (like an 01FFL) showing acquisition and disposal of any C&R firearms. You MAY NOT be "engaged in the business." (In other words, you can't be buying crates of Mosin Nagants and selling them to your buddies.) Previously owned C&Rs need not be entered into your book until you dispose of them. If you give up your license, you need not turn your books in. The C&R license is primarily for collectors to allow them to obtain collectible guns interstate and enhance their collections without having to go through an 01FFL dealer. You can be audited, but it has to be done at the BATF office and rarely happens. Certain machine guns, if over 50 years old, are also considered C&Rs, and can be delivered directly to your home without having to go through an NFA dealer, but, you still have to complete the fingerprints, photos, $200.00 tax, etc,
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"some FFL dealers won't recognize an 03FFL because they are too lazy to call BATF to verify its authenticity,"
Maybe, but in some states, like MD, the dealer has no choice because the state doesn't recognize an 03 FFL. All sales by an 01 dealer/state licensed dealer to a non-dealer must go through the same process; the buyer's possession of an 03 FFL is irrelevant. Jim |
May 25, 2016, 08:24 PM | #6 |
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The local FFLs here just want the 4473, so my C&R FFL03 is good for buying C&R items from shows and collectors, or shipping from Gunbroker dealers who are more knowledgeable about the C&R.
It's well worth getting the C&R license, though, but don't be surprised when a dealer wants the 4473, or will ship to an FFL only. I don't like having to pay my FFL a transfer fee and sales tax, but I wanted the item so there you have it. |
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All the Pacific Coast states no longer recognize a C&R . I and hundreds of other C&R holders are now ex C&R holders because of this.
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Dogtown Tom, you're the man, you really know this stuff!
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