CZ Scorpion evo 3 S1 pistol - Page 2

Destructo6 · February 1, 2019, 08:05 AM

I do like B&T stuff, but I can't justify the cost.

The Scorpion was the right price for the right thing, from a company I like and respect.

If I'd spent much more, I'd probably gone with a AR-based PCC or a SIG MPX.

TBM900 · February 1, 2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TunnelRat

Looking on gun.deals I'm seeing a price difference of more like $500-$600. But I'll keep an eye out as the B&T is nice.

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I never find 'deals' by looking at listed prices, I find them by calling.
Another 'trick' I've had some success with is to group email several vendors asking for best price, often one will undercut the previous. The last pair of B&T's I bought was last summer and they were just under $2300 delivered.

Fishbed77 · February 1, 2019, 11:18 AM

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I see you ignored the part where spoke of a couple hundred bucks after upgrades to the CZ

And you ignored that part where upgrades to the Scorpion are based on personal preference and are not necessary. If you want a brace for your Scorpion pistol, you have to pay for it. If you want a brace for your BHM9 pistol, you have to pay (more) for it.

The Scorpion is less expensive than the BHM9 and upgrades/accessories to it are less expensive than the BHM9. That can't be disputed, outside of unverifiable reports of "calling around." No one is saying the BHM9 is not a good firearm or that it's not worth its asking price. In fact it is a budget offering compared to B&T's APC9.

Really, why buy a BHM9, when you can just save up "a couple hundred bucks" and buy a superior APC9?

The only thing brought into question is your math, not the quality of the gun.

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a) Apples to oranges comparison (or maybe Honda to Ferrari)
b) Again I would really suggest you learn how to call around and price shop better

Can't dispute the Honda to Ferrari comparison. Both have 4 wheels and go from point A to B. One is less expensive, more reliable, costs less to run, and is more widely adopted. One is flashier, fun, and more expensive. Both are great in their own ways.

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Im sorry your gal lost dude - seems you're still bitter about the other posting.

Not sure what gal we are talking about and who lost what?

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Mine all fire bullets.....go figure
I would be game for an on camera head to head shoot off between one of my B&T's versus your CZ. I'll even let you pick the stakes....say winner gets to take the others weapon home? I'll even front you a failure

I never made this a competition. That is your take. I merely pointed out the fault in your mathematics, and have not seen you post anything to dispute it, just nebulous statements about "calling around".

But I'm not really into internet peeing contests, so I'll leave it that.

Feel free to continue posting you opinions, and maybe you can find hard data to back them up. Or perhaps you would rather just start a new thread devoted to the BHM9 where you can extol its virtues without sidetracking the discussion of a different product?

Old 454 · February 1, 2019, 05:42 PM

Lolol... ^^^ well said

TBM900 · February 1, 2019, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishbed77

Boy oh boy I sure hurt your feelings.....would a hug help?

Old 454 · February 2, 2019, 12:51 PM

Naaa you didnt hurt my feelings.

Everyone to each there own.

ROCK6 · February 5, 2019, 07:26 AM

The CZ Scorpion "pistol" with brace is a fun, handy little package. Out of the box it's fine, but there are a ton of aftermarket accessories and upgrades. The more you shoot it, you might find yourself delving into the upgrade world.

I also own a GHM9 and MPX-K with collapsible braces and they're fine in their own right, but price differences can be a factor. I don't really like to compare them as I think the GHM9 (as well as the APC models) are extremely well finished and smooth. The only downside with my GHM9 is the trigger...it kind of sucks and upgrades are not proving to help (mostly light hammers = light strikes). I'll eventually get it smoothed out a little.

The MPX-K is actually my favorite mostly because of familiar controls. The magazines are the most expensive but the most robust of magazine choices (now that Magpul is making CZ magazines at a very reasonable price is a big advantage).

The CZ is still a blast and I have the K-kit waiting for me at home. I did add a new grip, changed the safeties, and added an HBI trigger kit. I also have the folding stock with Tailhook brace waiting to be attached (or not), we'll see.

Fort the grip, the standard SMG configuration with stock make the grip angle less of an issue. With many of the braces, it sits differently and the angle doesn't go over so well. As many have heard, the safety selector can be bothersome on your trigger finger side. I really haven't had the issue, but other options are inexpensive and easy to swap out. Another simple and excellent upgrade is the magazine release. It's a simple change and the paddle upgrade makes magazine changes a little more intuitive.

I waited before I upgraded the trigger. It's not the best, but it's not that bad either. However, once I switched to a lighter spring and flat trigger upgrade, it was a noticeable improvement.

If anything, I love these braced "pistols".

ROCK6

Uncle Malice · February 6, 2019, 03:11 PM

I'm all in favor of the Scorpion.

My business partner has the MPX and a GHM9... The MPX is a joke. It constantly has issues (typical with MPX's). The GHM has a nice fit and finish but there's very little aftermarket and it's definitely had more failures than my Scorpion.

The GHM has a bit softer recoil than the Scorpion - but it's 9mm, who cares?

Shooting suppressed, the Scorpion is a much better gun.

I like shooting his guns occasionally, but I wouldn't trade my Scorpion for them.

Additionally, TBM900 should probably calm down with the ego and smart-aleck replies. That's not really how we do things here. Take that stuff to the other forums. If you want to discuss the merits of each, then go for it, but knock off the ad hominems and unsubstantiated claims.

CalmerThanYou · February 6, 2019, 03:44 PM

Meh....I have a MPX with thousands of rounds down range and it is rock solid.

The Scorpion and B&T are both great, and small enough to have them both.

**Mal H** · February 6, 2019, 04:22 PM

Enough with the bickering between two of the participants here!

Old 454 bought the pistol he wanted, so any further discussion is pointless, especially the type of "discussion" that came later in the thread.

Closed.

February 1, 2019, 08:05 AM	#26
Destructo6 Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 1999 Location: Nogales, AZ USA Posts: 4,001	I do like B&T stuff, but I can't justify the cost. The Scorpion was the right price for the right thing, from a company I like and respect. If I'd spent much more, I'd probably gone with a AR-based PCC or a SIG MPX. __________________ God gave you a soul. Your parents, a body. Your country, a rifle. Keep all of them clean.

February 5, 2019, 07:26 AM	#32
ROCK6 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2004 Location: Georgia/Afghanistan Posts: 314	The CZ Scorpion "pistol" with brace is a fun, handy little package. Out of the box it's fine, but there are a ton of aftermarket accessories and upgrades. The more you shoot it, you might find yourself delving into the upgrade world. I also own a GHM9 and MPX-K with collapsible braces and they're fine in their own right, but price differences can be a factor. I don't really like to compare them as I think the GHM9 (as well as the APC models) are extremely well finished and smooth. The only downside with my GHM9 is the trigger...it kind of sucks and upgrades are not proving to help (mostly light hammers = light strikes). I'll eventually get it smoothed out a little. The MPX-K is actually my favorite mostly because of familiar controls. The magazines are the most expensive but the most robust of magazine choices (now that Magpul is making CZ magazines at a very reasonable price is a big advantage). The CZ is still a blast and I have the K-kit waiting for me at home. I did add a new grip, changed the safeties, and added an HBI trigger kit. I also have the folding stock with Tailhook brace waiting to be attached (or not), we'll see. Fort the grip, the standard SMG configuration with stock make the grip angle less of an issue. With many of the braces, it sits differently and the angle doesn't go over so well. As many have heard, the safety selector can be bothersome on your trigger finger side. I really haven't had the issue, but other options are inexpensive and easy to swap out. Another simple and excellent upgrade is the magazine release. It's a simple change and the paddle upgrade makes magazine changes a little more intuitive. I waited before I upgraded the trigger. It's not the best, but it's not that bad either. However, once I switched to a lighter spring and flat trigger upgrade, it was a noticeable improvement. If anything, I love these braced "pistols". ROCK6 Last edited by ROCK6; February 5, 2019 at 07:31 PM.

February 6, 2019, 03:11 PM	#33
Uncle Malice Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 4,580	I'm all in favor of the Scorpion. My business partner has the MPX and a GHM9... The MPX is a joke. It constantly has issues (typical with MPX's). The GHM has a nice fit and finish but there's very little aftermarket and it's definitely had more failures than my Scorpion. The GHM has a bit softer recoil than the Scorpion - but it's 9mm, who cares? Shooting suppressed, the Scorpion is a much better gun. I like shooting his guns occasionally, but I wouldn't trade my Scorpion for them. Additionally, TBM900 should probably calm down with the ego and smart-aleck replies. That's not really how we do things here. Take that stuff to the other forums. If you want to discuss the merits of each, then go for it, but knock off the ad hominems and unsubstantiated claims. __________________ Handguns: 2x Glock 19.4 \| Glock 26.4 \| HK USP 9 \| HK P2000 \| HK VP9 SK \| HK P30 \| CZ Shadow 2 \| CZ P-10 C \| CZ P-07 \| CZP-01 \| S&W 360PD Rifles: DDM4 \| SGL 21 \| SAM7K \| Draco \| PSA PDW SBR \| ASA Side-Charger SBR \| CZ Scorpion K SBR \| Aero M4E1 9" 300blk SBR \| Angstadt Jack9 SBR \| Savage Mark II FV-SR Shotguns: Mossberg 590A1 20" SP \| Mossberg Shockwave

February 1, 2019, 05:42 PM	#29
Old 454 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Location: Chesterton Ind. Posts: 822	Lolol... ^^^ well said

February 2, 2019, 12:51 PM	#31
Old 454 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Location: Chesterton Ind. Posts: 822	Naaa you didnt hurt my feelings. Everyone to each there own.

February 6, 2019, 03:44 PM	#34
CalmerThanYou Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2017 Posts: 323	Meh....I have a MPX with thousands of rounds down range and it is rock solid. The Scorpion and B&T are both great, and small enough to have them both.

February 6, 2019, 04:22 PM	#35
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	Enough with the bickering between two of the participants here! Old 454 bought the pistol he wanted, so any further discussion is pointless, especially the type of "discussion" that came later in the thread. Closed.