36 Gauge Shotgun?

TXAZ · September 8, 2019, 06:35 PM

I’m guessing it’s a typo but anyone ever heard of a 36 (thirty six) gauge shotgun?

fourbore · September 8, 2019, 06:47 PM

Probably, but; I never heard of that with a factory shell. I have seen or heard of 12,16,20,24,28 and 32. (In know I skipped 14) Assuming a normal progression +4, get you to 36. That would be next. Like you, I never heard of a 36.

Did you try google? This turned up with Google. How hard was that?

"Marland is correct. The .410 is not really 36 gauge - if I remember correctly it is 67 gauge - but for reasons that nobody understands, it has always been known as 36 gauge in Europe. "

natman · September 8, 2019, 06:58 PM

While the 410 is NOT a 36 gauge, it has been nevertheless referred to by that name in some places and times.

It is examined in detail here.

**JohnKSa** · September 8, 2019, 08:15 PM

Wow, nothing confusing or stupid about that...

So at some time in the past, although everyone involved understood that 36ga is actually about .506 caliber and that .410 is about 68ga and also knew that previously the 36ga had referred to an entirely different cartridge from the .410; someone decided to conflate the two anyway for very questionable reasons.

Well, that's an interesting bit of trivia, I suppose.

stuckinthe60s · September 27, 2019, 06:43 PM

+1.
a 410 is refered to as a 36ga in europe.
you will find many 410's in europe marked 36ga.

FITASC · September 27, 2019, 07:23 PM

A 410 is a 67 gauge

natman · September 28, 2019, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FITASC

A 410 is a 67 gauge

You're absolutely correct. Click on the link in post #3 to see what this 36 gauge thing is about.

stuckinthe60s · September 30, 2019, 05:48 PM

just like a 38 isnt a 38, its a 35 cal. same same.

Scorch · October 1, 2019, 02:36 AM

The .410 is an American concoction, derived from the 44 Game Getter and 44 Extra Long cartridges. The first 410s were made in the early 1900s. There were 2" and 2-1/2" shells for the 410 originally, the 3" was added later.

The 36 gauge is a European shotgun gauge. Europeans had a whole plethora of "unusual" gauges, like 14, 24. and 36, many of them proprietary for famous or popular gun makers. Most of the oddballs faded away, much like the 16 gauge has here stateside.

FITASC · October 1, 2019, 07:39 AM

I see the 16 hanging and coming back to some degree. The 24 is popular in Europe and comparable to our 28

stuckinthe60s · October 2, 2019, 01:00 PM

id like to see more 32 ga myself.

Don Fischer · October 3, 2019, 07:18 PM

Seem's to me the 410 was not a ga but rather a cal. I think that's the way I read it. Now it's a 60 something cal?

FITASC · October 3, 2019, 10:15 PM

No, it's a 67 GAUGE, it is a 41 caliber

September 8, 2019, 06:35 PM	#1
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stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 877	+1. a 410 is refered to as a 36ga in europe. you will find many 410's in europe marked 36ga. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

September 27, 2019, 07:23 PM	#6
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	A 410 is a 67 gauge __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

September 30, 2019, 05:48 PM	#8
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 877	just like a 38 isnt a 38, its a 35 cal. same same. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

September 8, 2019, 06:47 PM	#2
fourbore Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2015 Location: new england Posts: 1,159	Probably, but; I never heard of that with a factory shell. I have seen or heard of 12,16,20,24,28 and 32. (In know I skipped 14) Assuming a normal progression +4, get you to 36. That would be next. Like you, I never heard of a 36. Did you try google? This turned up with Google. How hard was that? "Marland is correct. The .410 is not really 36 gauge - if I remember correctly it is 67 gauge - but for reasons that nobody understands, it has always been known as 36 gauge in Europe. "

September 8, 2019, 06:58 PM	#3
natman Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2008 Posts: 2,605	While the 410 is NOT a 36 gauge, it has been nevertheless referred to by that name in some places and times. It is examined in detail here. __________________ Time Travelers' Wisdom: Never Do Yesterday What Should Be Done Tomorrow. If At Last You Do Succeed, Never Try Again.

October 1, 2019, 02:36 AM	#9
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	The .410 is an American concoction, derived from the 44 Game Getter and 44 Extra Long cartridges. The first 410s were made in the early 1900s. There were 2" and 2-1/2" shells for the 410 originally, the 3" was added later. The 36 gauge is a European shotgun gauge. Europeans had a whole plethora of "unusual" gauges, like 14, 24. and 36, many of them proprietary for famous or popular gun makers. Most of the oddballs faded away, much like the 16 gauge has here stateside. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

October 1, 2019, 07:39 AM	#10
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	I see the 16 hanging and coming back to some degree. The 24 is popular in Europe and comparable to our 28 __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 2, 2019, 01:00 PM	#11
stuckinthe60s Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2017 Location: Va., Ct., Mo.. Posts: 877	id like to see more 32 ga myself. __________________ Retired Military Aviation Former Member Navy Shooting Team Distinguished Pistol Shot,NRA Shotgun/Pistol Instructor NSSA All American, Skeet/Trap Range Owner

October 3, 2019, 07:18 PM	#12
Don Fischer Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2017 Posts: 1,868	Seem's to me the 410 was not a ga but rather a cal. I think that's the way I read it. Now it's a 60 something cal?

October 3, 2019, 10:15 PM	#13
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	No, it's a 67 GAUGE, it is a 41 caliber __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa