Virginia updates

jrinne0430 · December 17, 2019, 02:16 PM

As of 17 Dec, there are now 95 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, towns, and cities! More county and city board meeting to come thus, the list will likely grow. Reminder, lobby day is in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020 and there are buses and car pools available (see link). They are filling up fast and some are already full.

https://vcdl.org/

DaleA · December 17, 2019, 07:19 PM

Well and good...

But where were you all at the election???!!!

inquiring minds want to know...

osbornk · December 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleA

Well and good...

But where were you all at the election???!!!

inquiring minds want to know...

Many of us voted. On my end of the state, 85-90% of the votes went to the Republican candidate and some were unopposed. The problem was on the other end of the state where most of the population lives 25% of the Democrat candidates ran unopposed so even if the Republican voters showed up, they had nobody to vote for other than a useless write-in. The 2.5 million that Bloomberg spent in the state didn't help either.

DaleA · December 18, 2019, 02:29 AM

My somewhat over-wrought question comes about because I can see the SAME THING happening in my state of Minnesota.

Good luck in your efforts

JERRYS. · December 18, 2019, 03:06 AM

elections have consequences, just like uncontested seats.

USNRet93 · December 18, 2019, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRYS.

elections have consequences, just like uncontested seats.

This is all over this forum as well as others, even some youtube videos..it's like the VA GOP is YUGELY surprised that this is happening...As I've mentioned, the only accurate 'poll' comes from the ballot box. Blaming the 'east' and Bloomberg is eyewash..Pretty simple, run un-opposed, get what you voted for. Some poster mentioned that of the 8 million some odd voters, 6 million were in counties/towns that are 'declaring' to be 2A 'sanctuaries'...huh?? Where were you all at the election??

ROCK6 · December 18, 2019, 08:05 AM

I think the courts involvement in overturning the gerrymandered districts is what flipped several counties and cities and/or increased representation seats. Whether you agree or not, the winner gets to adjust district lines and it’s often in their favor. When the other party can’t win at the ballot boxes, they cry to the courts and this past election, the courts intervened on behalf of the democrats; I don’t think they’ll do it for a conservative party in the future. Populations drive up congressional/house seats and dense urban areas are typically blue in nature due to an increased nature of government dependence (and promises); also they’re likely just more dense and ignorant of basic civics and easier to sway to an anti-2A party ideology.

People voted, but not enough to overcome the more dense blue districts after court-manipulation of those districts.

ROCK6

jrinne0430 · December 18, 2019, 08:11 AM

I attended one of the counties board of supervisors meeting last night (one of the wealthier counties) and they voted for the 2nd Amendment sanctuary by unanimous vote. Though it was very cold and windy, there had to be close to 2,000+/- supporters there! We must keep up the pressure to prevent many of these proposed laws from making it to the books. The state's senators, delegates, AG, and governor are starting to take notice. Also, don't forget about the rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. See VCDL.org for details.

DaveBj · December 18, 2019, 10:56 AM

The Virginia election is a good illustration of why I have frequently expressed my desire for a "NO" or a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" option on the ballot.

D

bamaranger · December 18, 2019, 11:13 AM

The issue described by osbornk and DaleA is not uncommon. In states where there are large urban/suburban centers, yet still slices of rural populations as well, folks in the rural areas feel largely unrepresented and inconsequential at election time. PA is one such state, DaleA mentioned MN, TN another, and clearly VA has the same issue. MI would be another, and I suspect many of the Rocky Mtn states are faced with the same problem. Consider MagPul leaving CO over the mag capacity legislation, as the large Denver urban played against the vote from the mountains.

Guns, shooting and hunting are typically synonymous with rural lifestyles. As populations become more and more urban/suburban ( and they have for years) , and suburbanites flee the madness of the populated areas where they are employed, or establish second homes in less populated rural areas, their is a clash of lifestyles and beliefs with the country folk. I see it routinely in the mountain resort areas of the south and along the big lakes in my area.

std7mag · December 18, 2019, 12:39 PM

Yes, it definitely happens here in PA also. Large cities like Philidelphia, Pittsburgh, and Harrisburg, definitely don't agree with the wants of the rest of the state.

Alas, too many politicians see it as a carreer. Thus, looking out for their own advancement, instead of serving the will of the people.
When was the last time any of us was asked by their representatives how you wanted them to vote on an issue?

As for the current state of VA.
The 2nd is to protect the people from the government.
At a time when our own federal government is calling itself tyrannical, the newly elected (not yet in office) are pre-empting bills that do just that.
Then to top it off with claims that local laws do not trump state laws, while forgetting that federal laws trump state laws seems a course of madness.

And lest we forget, there are threats from the newly elected (not yet in office) to call out the VA National Guard to put down their own populace.
Here's a clue.. The VA National Guard is made up of Virginians themselves. It's not like your gonna man it with people from CA.

Don Fischer · December 18, 2019, 12:40 PM

Voting we have the same problem here in Oregon. Portland area and Springfield/Eugene run the whole state. Say's a lot for the electoral collage method!

JERRYS. · December 18, 2019, 02:07 PM

I see Loudoun County says up yours to the 2nd amendment while Prince William County is at least sympathetic with it. That was unexpected in my view.

jrinne0430 · December 18, 2019, 09:20 PM

The incoming BoS for Prince William stated they will overturn the sanctuary vote...will have to see. Loudon, Fairfax, and Arlington is the Mecca of the current problems Virginia is facing.

Dean C · December 18, 2019, 10:35 PM

Washington state is just as bad. East side is Left and West and Central are mostly Right. If the East gets any more Left, it will be in the Pacific Ocean. Just look at some of the laws they passed regarding 2A.
Dean

TomNJVA · December 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

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People voted, but not enough to overcome the more dense blue districts after court-manipulation of those districts.

Exactly. Both parties fielded uncontested candidates in Virginia, and elsewhere. Why waste campaign funds in districts where you know you have no chance of winning?

Here in southwest Virginia the Democrats typically lose big, with Republicans consistently gathering 65-90% of the vote every election. I love to see the Democrats waste their money with expensive campaigns here, and I certainly don't blame Republicans for not running in pure blue districts. Campaign funds should be focused on purple districts where voting may be close and you have a chance of winning. Fielding a Republican candidate in an ultra pure blue district is nice in principle, but is like punching a brick wall - you may not like it being there but you are just going to get bloody knuckles. Funnel the money to where it will do the most good.

Also you have the option of voting "None of the above" by voting but leaving a specific race blank.

langenc · December 25, 2019, 09:05 PM

We cant let our votes set home on Nov 3, 2020..... Get ut the vote against Hiliary of Joe.
Hilliary may come along and save the party cause none of the present are electable..

USNRet93 · December 26, 2019, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by langenc

We cant let our votes set home on Nov 3, 2020..... Get ut the vote against Hiliary of Joe.
Hilliary may come along and save the party cause none of the present are electable..

Is hillary or joe from Virginia??

jrinne0430 · December 30, 2019, 01:08 PM

Now 114 sanctuary counties and cities! Excellent work for just over a month! Although much attention has been drawn to Christmas, next month things are going to pick up especially when the legislative session meets again. Don't forget about the big rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. There maybe some seats left on some buses if you wish to use them. See VCDL.ORG for details.

insman1132 · December 30, 2019, 04:34 PM

Does anybody know? Is this assault on the 2nd Amendment being appealed to the higher courts??

osbornk · December 30, 2019, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insman1132

Does anybody know? Is this assault on the 2nd Amendment being appealed to the higher courts??

No laws have been passed yet. Nothing can be appealed until it is the law.

odugrad · January 6, 2020, 12:25 PM

I came here, too, to encourage people to rally on the 20th. What is happening in VA is a glimpse of things to come if we don't stand our ground.

I voted and fortunately for my district, we won. But the same can't be said for other jurisdictions.

Armed_Chicagoan · January 6, 2020, 01:39 PM

Voter turnout in the 2019 Virginia elections was under 40%. Even in the most contested seats turnout was under 60%. They are taking your rights because people didn't bother to vote.

peterg7 · January 6, 2020, 07:44 PM

^ +100 and that’s the take away from this fiasco.

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rickyrick · January 6, 2020, 08:04 PM

Unless we mobilize like anti-gun and other movements do, we are doomed to face this all across the nation.

December 17, 2019, 02:16 PM	#1
jrinne0430 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 298	Virginia updates As of 17 Dec, there are now 95 Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, towns, and cities! More county and city board meeting to come thus, the list will likely grow. Reminder, lobby day is in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020 and there are buses and car pools available (see link). They are filling up fast and some are already full. https://vcdl.org/

December 18, 2019, 11:13 AM	#10
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,295	population The issue described by osbornk and DaleA is not uncommon. In states where there are large urban/suburban centers, yet still slices of rural populations as well, folks in the rural areas feel largely unrepresented and inconsequential at election time. PA is one such state, DaleA mentioned MN, TN another, and clearly VA has the same issue. MI would be another, and I suspect many of the Rocky Mtn states are faced with the same problem. Consider MagPul leaving CO over the mag capacity legislation, as the large Denver urban played against the vote from the mountains. Guns, shooting and hunting are typically synonymous with rural lifestyles. As populations become more and more urban/suburban ( and they have for years) , and suburbanites flee the madness of the populated areas where they are employed, or establish second homes in less populated rural areas, their is a clash of lifestyles and beliefs with the country folk. I see it routinely in the mountain resort areas of the south and along the big lakes in my area.

December 18, 2019, 12:39 PM	#11
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Yes, it definitely happens here in PA also. Large cities like Philidelphia, Pittsburgh, and Harrisburg, definitely don't agree with the wants of the rest of the state. Alas, too many politicians see it as a carreer. Thus, looking out for their own advancement, instead of serving the will of the people. When was the last time any of us was asked by their representatives how you wanted them to vote on an issue? As for the current state of VA. The 2nd is to protect the people from the government. At a time when our own federal government is calling itself tyrannical, the newly elected (not yet in office) are pre-empting bills that do just that. Then to top it off with claims that local laws do not trump state laws, while forgetting that federal laws trump state laws seems a course of madness. And lest we forget, there are threats from the newly elected (not yet in office) to call out the VA National Guard to put down their own populace. Here's a clue.. The VA National Guard is made up of Virginians themselves. It's not like your gonna man it with people from CA. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

December 18, 2019, 02:07 PM	#13
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	I see Loudoun County says up yours to the 2nd amendment while Prince William County is at least sympathetic with it. That was unexpected in my view. Last edited by JERRYS.; December 18, 2019 at 02:16 PM.

December 18, 2019, 10:35 PM	#15
Dean C Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2004 Location: Mill Creek (Just north east of Seattle) Posts: 343	Washington state is just as bad. East side is Left and West and Central are mostly Right. If the East gets any more Left, it will be in the Pacific Ocean. Just look at some of the laws they passed regarding 2A. Dean __________________ Viet Nam Vet American Legion Member Former NRA Member (Still thinking about that) Pro 2A Washington (Charter Member)

December 17, 2019, 07:19 PM	#2
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,310	Well and good... But where were you all at the election???!!! inquiring minds want to know...

December 18, 2019, 02:29 AM	#4
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,310	My somewhat over-wrought question comes about because I can see the SAME THING happening in my state of Minnesota. Good luck in your efforts

December 18, 2019, 03:06 AM	#5
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	elections have consequences, just like uncontested seats.

December 18, 2019, 08:05 AM	#7
ROCK6 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2004 Location: Georgia/Afghanistan Posts: 314	I think the courts involvement in overturning the gerrymandered districts is what flipped several counties and cities and/or increased representation seats. Whether you agree or not, the winner gets to adjust district lines and it’s often in their favor. When the other party can’t win at the ballot boxes, they cry to the courts and this past election, the courts intervened on behalf of the democrats; I don’t think they’ll do it for a conservative party in the future. Populations drive up congressional/house seats and dense urban areas are typically blue in nature due to an increased nature of government dependence (and promises); also they’re likely just more dense and ignorant of basic civics and easier to sway to an anti-2A party ideology. People voted, but not enough to overcome the more dense blue districts after court-manipulation of those districts. ROCK6

December 18, 2019, 08:11 AM	#8
jrinne0430 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 298	I attended one of the counties board of supervisors meeting last night (one of the wealthier counties) and they voted for the 2nd Amendment sanctuary by unanimous vote. Though it was very cold and windy, there had to be close to 2,000+/- supporters there! We must keep up the pressure to prevent many of these proposed laws from making it to the books. The state's senators, delegates, AG, and governor are starting to take notice. Also, don't forget about the rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. See VCDL.org for details.

December 18, 2019, 10:56 AM	#9
DaveBj Member Join Date: June 15, 2019 Posts: 61	The Virginia election is a good illustration of why I have frequently expressed my desire for a "NO" or a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" option on the ballot. D

December 18, 2019, 12:40 PM	#12
Don Fischer Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2017 Posts: 1,868	Voting we have the same problem here in Oregon. Portland area and Springfield/Eugene run the whole state. Say's a lot for the electoral collage method!

December 18, 2019, 09:20 PM	#14
jrinne0430 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 298	The incoming BoS for Prince William stated they will overturn the sanctuary vote...will have to see. Loudon, Fairfax, and Arlington is the Mecca of the current problems Virginia is facing.

December 25, 2019, 09:05 PM	#17
langenc Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2007 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 1,551	We cant let our votes set home on Nov 3, 2020..... Get ut the vote against Hiliary of Joe. Hilliary may come along and save the party cause none of the present are electable..

December 30, 2019, 01:08 PM	#19
jrinne0430 Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 298	Now 114 sanctuary counties and cities! Excellent work for just over a month! Although much attention has been drawn to Christmas, next month things are going to pick up especially when the legislative session meets again. Don't forget about the big rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. There maybe some seats left on some buses if you wish to use them. See VCDL.ORG for details.

December 30, 2019, 04:34 PM	#20
insman1132 Member Join Date: August 1, 2009 Location: SW FL year around Posts: 56	Does anybody know? Is this assault on the 2nd Amendment being appealed to the higher courts??

January 6, 2020, 12:25 PM	#22
odugrad Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2013 Location: The East Coast Posts: 477	I came here, too, to encourage people to rally on the 20th. What is happening in VA is a glimpse of things to come if we don't stand our ground. I voted and fortunately for my district, we won. But the same can't be said for other jurisdictions.

January 6, 2020, 01:39 PM	#23
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	Voter turnout in the 2019 Virginia elections was under 40%. Even in the most contested seats turnout was under 60%. They are taking your rights because people didn't bother to vote.

January 6, 2020, 07:44 PM	#24
peterg7 Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2017 Posts: 316	^ +100 and that’s the take away from this fiasco. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

January 6, 2020, 08:04 PM	#25
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Unless we mobilize like anti-gun and other movements do, we are doomed to face this all across the nation.

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