States where short barreled AOWs are legal?

MeekAndMild · May 30, 2006, 11:43 PM

Does anyone have a list of states where short barreled AOWs are banned? I read that Alabama was one of those states, which is odd because machine guns are legal there.

MisterPX · May 31, 2006, 05:25 AM

"short barrel AOW"?? Do you mean an AOW, or a short barrel rifle/shotgun?

still 2 many choices · May 31, 2006, 09:02 AM

AOW or Shortbarreled rifle? There is a difference

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MeekAndMild · June 1, 2006, 05:32 PM

I mean an "All Other Weapons" which happens to be either a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun or a pistol with a shoulder stock. Surely there is a database somewhere which lists what sort of AOWs are legal in what states?

Hkmp5sd · June 1, 2006, 07:59 PM

The only states that ban AOWs are HI and MA.

SBS are banned in AL, DE, HI, IL, IN, KS, MA, NS, NY, RI, and WA.

For all intents and purposes, everything is banned in California, though not by law.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu...st/nfa_faq.txt

List is down toward the end of the document.

rhgunguy · June 1, 2006, 09:21 PM

Don't forget IA on that distinguished list. SBRs and SBSs are outlawed in IA.

MisterPX · June 2, 2006, 02:59 AM

"I mean an "All Other Weapons" which happens to be either a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun or a pistol with a shoulder stock."

None of your "happens to be" examples are AOWs. An AOW is something like a pen gun, a pistol with a VFG, or an operational briefcase setup. Your examples are SBR/S's.

MeekAndMild · June 2, 2006, 06:14 PM

OK, thanks for the correction. I'm not current with the terminology. It is pretty scary to think how ignorant the general American public could be if an old gun nut like me didn't know.

Thanks for the link, Hkmp5sd. That answeres a lot of questions.

Hangfire44 · June 20, 2006, 07:25 PM

Howdy all, I'm new to the group since I have to spend most of my time on IowaCarry.Org to get Iowa shall issue but I found this board and it looked pretty neat.
I don't know if this person will still be around but I was looking thru the Firing Line archives and saw a post by danbrew. He posted "Keep in mind that some states that prohibit machine guns have no problems what so ever with short barrel rifles". I have a 1927A1 that I would like to put a 16 inch barrel on but Iowa doesn't permit sbr, full auto, etc. I was just wondering where danbrew got his info from. It would be great if it were true but each county sheriff has control over gun permits and if permitted, silencers, short barrels, etc. I'd sure like to know if short barrels were no big deal.
Hangfire44

Bill DeShivs · June 20, 2006, 10:06 PM

The 1927A-1 has a 16" barrel.
Bill

rkba_net · June 20, 2006, 10:50 PM

AOW stands for ""Any Other Weapon"... AOW's are concealable weapons that are NOT handguns... such as pen guns, cane guns, belt buckle guns and SMOOTH-bore pistols...

still 2 many choices · June 21, 2006, 10:21 AM

Any pistol with a PERMANENTLY attatched vertical foregrip as was mentioned above...They can have a rifled bore, or be smoothe bore...
Still 2 Many Choices!?

Trapp · June 21, 2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

PERMANENTLY

?? I think it can be a removable foregrip too. When it is on, it is an AOW.....

MeekAndMild · June 22, 2006, 04:20 PM

Quote:

I have a 1927A1 that I would like to put a 16 inch barrel on but Iowa doesn't permit sbr, full auto, etc.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but according to my reading of the NFA Act the Feds define an NFA rifle as one with a barrel of less than 16 inches or an over all length less than 26 inches.

Hkmp5sd · June 22, 2006, 05:45 PM

He is probably talking about a <16" barrel. The 1928A1 submachinegun has a 10.5" barrel. The modern manufactured semi-auto 1927A1 has a 16" barrel which makes it look stupid. Some folks register it a SBR and put a short barrel on it.

Trapp · June 22, 2006, 06:18 PM

Hey! Mine doesn't look that stupid!!!

gunslinger555 · June 22, 2006, 06:35 PM

tommygun look stupid? never heard that before

Hkmp5sd · June 22, 2006, 07:01 PM

No offense!

How about "makes it not look historically accurate."?

gunslinger555 · June 22, 2006, 07:35 PM

that sounds right

it would be worth it to get the sbr tommy tho

May 30, 2006, 11:43 PM	#1
MeekAndMild Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2001 Posts: 4,988	States where short barreled AOWs are legal? Does anyone have a list of states where short barreled AOWs are banned? I read that Alabama was one of those states, which is odd because machine guns are legal there. __________________ In a few years when the dust finally clears and people start counting their change there is a pretty good chance that President Obama may become known as The Great Absquatulator. You heard it first here on TFL.

May 31, 2006, 09:02 AM	#3
still 2 many choices Senior Member Join Date: April 17, 2006 Posts: 100	/\/\/\/\+1? AOW or Shortbarreled rifle? There is a difference ...

June 1, 2006, 05:32 PM	#4
MeekAndMild Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2001 Posts: 4,988	I mean an "All Other Weapons" which happens to be either a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun or a pistol with a shoulder stock. Surely there is a database somewhere which lists what sort of AOWs are legal in what states? __________________ In a few years when the dust finally clears and people start counting their change there is a pretty good chance that President Obama may become known as The Great Absquatulator. You heard it first here on TFL.

June 2, 2006, 06:14 PM	#8
MeekAndMild Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2001 Posts: 4,988	OK, thanks for the correction. I'm not current with the terminology. It is pretty scary to think how ignorant the general American public could be if an old gun nut like me didn't know. Thanks for the link, Hkmp5sd. That answeres a lot of questions. __________________ In a few years when the dust finally clears and people start counting their change there is a pretty good chance that President Obama may become known as The Great Absquatulator. You heard it first here on TFL.

June 20, 2006, 07:25 PM	#9
Hangfire44 Junior Member Join Date: June 20, 2006 Posts: 4	Short barrel Thompsons Howdy all, I'm new to the group since I have to spend most of my time on IowaCarry.Org to get Iowa shall issue but I found this board and it looked pretty neat. I don't know if this person will still be around but I was looking thru the Firing Line archives and saw a post by danbrew. He posted "Keep in mind that some states that prohibit machine guns have no problems what so ever with short barrel rifles". I have a 1927A1 that I would like to put a 16 inch barrel on but Iowa doesn't permit sbr, full auto, etc. I was just wondering where danbrew got his info from. It would be great if it were true but each county sheriff has control over gun permits and if permitted, silencers, short barrels, etc. I'd sure like to know if short barrels were no big deal. Hangfire44

May 31, 2006, 05:25 AM	#2
MisterPX Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2006 Location: Amerika's Doyleland Posts: 809	"short barrel AOW"?? Do you mean an AOW, or a short barrel rifle/shotgun?

June 1, 2006, 07:59 PM	#5
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	The only states that ban AOWs are HI and MA. SBS are banned in AL, DE, HI, IL, IN, KS, MA, NS, NY, RI, and WA. For all intents and purposes, everything is banned in California, though not by law. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu...st/nfa_faq.txt List is down toward the end of the document.

June 1, 2006, 09:21 PM	#6
rhgunguy Junior member Join Date: March 7, 2006 Posts: 1,057	Don't forget IA on that distinguished list. SBRs and SBSs are outlawed in IA.

June 2, 2006, 02:59 AM	#7
MisterPX Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2006 Location: Amerika's Doyleland Posts: 809	"I mean an "All Other Weapons" which happens to be either a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun or a pistol with a shoulder stock." None of your "happens to be" examples are AOWs. An AOW is something like a pen gun, a pistol with a VFG, or an operational briefcase setup. Your examples are SBR/S's.

June 20, 2006, 10:06 PM	#10
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	The 1927A-1 has a 16" barrel. Bill

June 20, 2006, 10:50 PM	#11
rkba_net Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2000 Posts: 153	AOW stands for ""Any Other Weapon"... AOW's are concealable weapons that are NOT handguns... such as pen guns, cane guns, belt buckle guns and SMOOTH-bore pistols...

June 21, 2006, 10:21 AM	#12
still 2 many choices Senior Member Join Date: April 17, 2006 Posts: 100	rkba_net, AOW's are also Any pistol with a PERMANENTLY attatched vertical foregrip as was mentioned above...They can have a rifled bore, or be smoothe bore... Still 2 Many Choices!?

June 22, 2006, 05:45 PM	#15
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	He is probably talking about a <16" barrel. The 1928A1 submachinegun has a 10.5" barrel. The modern manufactured semi-auto 1927A1 has a 16" barrel which makes it look stupid. Some folks register it a SBR and put a short barrel on it.

June 22, 2006, 06:18 PM	#16
Trapp Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: KTN Posts: 1,221	Hey! Mine doesn't look that stupid!!! __________________ HDR Ban!? It's a shame all of my guns sank with my boat last week... Time to catch up.....like mayonnaise

June 22, 2006, 06:35 PM	#17
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	tommygun look stupid? never heard that before __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

June 22, 2006, 07:01 PM	#18
Hkmp5sd Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2001 Location: Winter Haven, Florida Posts: 4,303	No offense! How about "makes it not look historically accurate."?

June 22, 2006, 07:35 PM	#19
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	that sounds right it would be worth it to get the sbr tommy tho __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face! Last edited by gunslinger555; June 23, 2006 at 04:38 PM.