Starting load development for 6.5 Creed. - Page 2

kilotanker22 · February 1, 2019, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by std7mag

Kilo, you need some of the Magic Pixie Dust some are using in your manbun. You'll be shooting lights out at 8 miles.. And out of a 16" barrel to boot.

Not say'n, just say'n.

Hahahahaha, funny guy....

I ordered my Magnetospeed today so I will know my velocities in the coming week. Sure I would like to push heavy bullets faster. (Hence the search for RL. 26. Although I value accuracy over 100 fps. If RL 26 doesn't shoot as well as H 4350 then 4350 it is.

hounddawg · February 1, 2019, 03:20 PM

I tried 120SMKs(#6), 123 SMKs ( #1 all around bullet in three barrels) , 123 Noslers(#4), 140 SMKs(#3), 140 Noslers (#2), and 142 SMKs(#5) in 6.5 bullets

kilotanker22 · February 1, 2019, 06:22 PM

I have a bunch of Winchester deer season xp bullets that I pulled from factory ammo, a bunch of Berger 130 great otm tactical. And some 143 grain ELD-X.

Was getting setup today, and mag length for the ELD-X is .022 off the lands I figure that's a good place to start.

I am gonna load with H4350, RL 26 and Magpro tonight to try out at the range tomorrow.

hounddawg · February 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

if you are not in love with speed H4831SC might work for you. This was 140 gn Nosler CC's shot from a 260 Rem with a 26 inch barrel. I could load to 44.5 plus or minus .1 grain using my RCBS Chargemaster and have single digit extreme spreads. Good temp stability also. This load worked in 2 of my .260's. Might do a ladder test from 39.6 to 43.5 in the CM to check for nodes. Looking forward to see your results on the magpro

WARNING

This is .260 Remington data, 6.5 Creedmoor has a minimum of 39.6 and a maximum of 43.5 using a 140 gn bullet on the Hogdon load data site

Code:

Name: 4831 Sc 44.6			
			
Number of Shots	5		
Extreme Spread	29		
Average	2752		
Standard Deviation	9		
			
Shot List	1	2737	
	2	2754	
	3	2754	
	4	2766	
	5	2749	
Name: 4831 Sc 44.5			
			
Number of Shots	5		
Extreme Spread	11		
Average	2748		
Standard Deviation	3		
			
Shot List	1	2749	
	2	2749	
	3	2754	
	4	2749	
	5	2743	
Name: 4831 Sc 44.4			
			
Number of Shots	5		
Extreme Spread	17		
Average	2743		
Standard Deviation	6		
			
Shot List	1	2743	
	2	2749	
	3	2743	
	4	2749	
	5	2732

legal stuff

this charge data is safe for this rifle and this barrel only. When developing a load use manufacturers data start with the minimum powder charge and work up slowly looking for pressure signs

std7mag · February 2, 2019, 07:29 AM

Spatsmagee would be proud of you.
He's a lawyer, just not my lawyer. Lol

Kilo,
Your worried about accuracy potential of RL26, but ordered a 8# jug of it?

I'll vouch for the accuracy of RL26. Has been very accurate, and fast, in everything i've tried it in.
Just some rifles i don't like the recoil impulse.
Notable 284 Win, 280 Rem.

hounddawg · February 2, 2019, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Spatsmagee would be proud of you.
He's a lawyer, just not my lawyer. Lol

Not a lawyer but figured it was a nice CYA statement in the event some idiot crams 44.5 gns into a 6.5 CM and has a case rupture. The 6.5 CM has a case design which in theory makes for more efficient powder usage

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by std7mag

Spatsmagee would be proud of you.
He's a lawyer, just not my lawyer. Lol

Kilo,
Your worried about accuracy potential of RL26, but ordered a 8# jug of it?

I'll vouch for the accuracy of RL26. Has been very accurate, and fast, in everything i've tried it in.
Just some rifles i don't like the recoil impulse.
Notable 284 Win, 280 Rem.

I also have a 270 wsm, and other calibers to load for. (I load for my brother in law as well.). I am also about to either order a Remington 700, or Winchester XPR in either 7mm Remington mag or 300 Wsm.

I am also gonna be buying my daughter a 6.5 CM for her first deer rifle. She will be 12 this year, and I feel it's about time she had her own rifle.

The reason that I ordered 8 pounds of RL 26 is because it's very difficult to find locally. And as stated earlier. I have many other uses beside this rifle.

This rifle is primarily a range queen. Tipping the scales over 13 pounds right now. So I am not gonna be carrying it through the hills. So if RL 26 does not perform as well accuracy wise. As the H4350, I will continue to use the more accurate load.

If it were a hunting rifle. That may be different. If RL 26 shoots reasonably well and is a good clip faster MV than 4350 then I would choose the higher velocity

Charlie98 · February 2, 2019, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Hornady X says that the Creed likes medium/medium slow powder.

I was actually surprised when I cracked open the loading books for the 6.5CM. I was thinking IMR4895 and IMR4064... and what I saw was the 4350's, RL 17 & 19, and... H4831?? That was an eye opener... but it proved correct.

jugornot · February 2, 2019, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hounddawg

if you are not in love with speed H4831SC might work for you. This was 140 gn Nosler CC's shot from a 260 Rem with a 26 inch barrel. I could load to 44.5 plus or minus .1 grain using my RCBS Chargemaster and have single digit extreme spreads. Good temp stability also. This load worked in 2 of my .260's. Might do a ladder test from 39.6 to 43.5 in the CM to check for nodes. Looking forward to see your results on the magpro

WARNING

This is .260 Remington data, 6.5 Creedmoor has a minimum of 39.6 and a maximum of 43.5 using a 140 gn bullet on the Hogdon load data site

Code:

Name: 4831 Sc 44.6			
			
Number of Shots	5		
Extreme Spread	29		
Average	2752		
Standard Deviation	9		
			
Shot List	1	2737	
	2	2754	
	3	2754	
	4	2766	
	5	2749	
Name: 4831 Sc 44.5			
			
Number of Shots	5		
Extreme Spread	11		
Average	2748		
Standard Deviation	3		
			
Shot List	1	2749	
	2	2749	
	3	2754	
	4	2749	
	5	2743	
Name: 4831 Sc 44.4			
			
Number of Shots	5		
Extreme Spread	17		
Average	2743		
Standard Deviation	6		
			
Shot List	1	2743	
	2	2749	
	3	2743	
	4	2749	
	5	2732

legal stuff

this charge data is safe for this rifle and this barrel only. When developing a load use manufacturers data start with the minimum powder charge and work up slowly looking for pressure signs

Don't know what chrono you are using, but it doesn't Use the same standard devviation as Open Office or a magnetospeed. Appears to average 1 stdev low.

2737
2754
2754
2766
2749 10.4642247682 9 1.4642247682

2749
2749
2754
2749
2743 3.8987177379 3 0.8987177379

2743
2749
2743
2749
2732 6.9426219831 6 0.9426219831

average difference
1.1018548297

What is calculating your SD and what formula is it using? for accurate comparisons all calculations should be the same.

hounddawg · February 2, 2019, 05:59 PM

Quote:

What is calculating your SD and what formula is it using? for accurate comparisons all calculations should be the same.

like it really matters to compare one load to the next ? It's like comparitors, no two will be exactly the same. You just compare 1 load to the next unless you are just trying to impress strangers on the internet with your elite reloading skillz

Oh I plugged the second sets numbers into excell and you are right for whatever it matters, it came up 3.89 something something something

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 06:01 PM

So I just got back from the range. I was a little suprised to see what my 2 best shooting loads were.... I will post pictures soon.

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 06:34 PM

So, today was a little bit of a bummer. No matter what I did I just couldn't seem to get it together. I shot some nice groups, but Today just wasn't my day. I will share the decent groups here with you all. The groups I am about to share Were all fired from a Bi pod with rear bag except for 1. I began the day on the lead sled, but the forearm of this stock just will not sit right in the front rest portion of the sled that I have. I was cocking the rifle off to the side every time I went to pull the trigger. It just wasn't stable at all. So I switched to the bi pod with rear bag.

Anyway. The ELD-X shot ok with H-4350. 42 grains looked good. That group was shot from the lead sled though and I just couldn't get comfortable so I will re visit that load. 41.5 grains of H4350 shot ok too, but again was from the lead sled and I could not get steady.

Then I was surprised to see how well those Berger 130 grain OTM Tactical bullets shot with Magpro. This was a bit difficult for me. There is literally no load data for the 6.5 creedmoor with Magpro. I stumbled upon a quickload sheet someone made with the eldx. So I started there. I Backed away from the load listed a few grains and gave it a shot. Then I started with the same load for the 130 grain otm.

47 Grains of Magpro with that 130 grain OTM Tactical bullet was real nice. I pulled one shot out of the group. It was totally my fault. Had I not goofed it with the trigger squeeze. I am certain it would have been right with the other 4 shots. The one I pulled was my fourth shot. So I measured the group with the 4 shots that I did not goof. Either way it shows promise and I will be sure to revisit this load.

The Biggest shock today was The fact that The cheap Winchester Deer season XP Ammunition was outstanding in this rifle. one 5 round group from the lead sled and one off of the bipod with this ammo.

So The way its looking after today. This rifle definitely likes 125-130 grain pills. Just wish the bergers were at the price of the Hornady.

After what I saw today. I think that Houndawg was on to something With the lighter weight Sierra Match bullets. Although I think I will order a bunch of the bergers.

Anyway. I will have My Magnetospeed on Monday. So Tuesday I will take these loads out and see what they are doing velocity wise.

Also worth noting is that with 47 grains of Magpro and the 130 grain otm tactical bullet. I have no signs of pressure. I will probably ladder test this powder next week.

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 06:37 PM

and here is the group of the deer season xp shot from the lead sled.

hounddawg · February 2, 2019, 06:46 PM

Nice targets! I would take a session like that any day

If that were mine I would take the eldx and try moving the seating depth in and out in .003 increments and I bet you can get that down into the threes or fours if you do your part.

Also bet if you go with a F Class bipod or medium priced rest and a squeeze bag you will start eliminating flyers. Lead sleds teach bad habits. Oh and go prone, lay down and shoot like a man

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 07:25 PM

well I am not going prone in a foot of snow.
The ELD-X is .025 off of the lands, and It can not go out anymore. I am at mag length. I can work on moving them in a little.

The Bergers shot well with the magpro so I will definitely load those again. Also Berger says that you can hunt with the OTM Tactical bullets. They have a thicker jacket than the match bullets.

I got my reloder 26 today, so I will work with that a little, but it didn't shoot that well with either the eld-x or the berger otm bullet. About 1.5 inch groups. Although that could have been me and being on that stupid sled.

These were all fired with Federal gold medal brass and cci 200 primers. With exception to the factory Winchester ammunition.

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 07:29 PM

I am thinking that I will go buy a box of Sierra Tipped game king 130 grain bullets. They are about half the price of the berger bullets.

Also the Hornady ELD-M 130 grain

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 07:31 PM

Also Houndawg, I am pretty steady from the Bipod and a simple rear bag... I think that I will shoot like that from now on.

hounddawg · February 2, 2019, 08:59 PM

LOL at the prone in the snow part. Last match I shot there was no snow but it was 30F and we shooting on frozen ground. I carry some old carpet in my kit to put my shooting mat on days like those.

Never shot ELDX's but I would try shooting 10 or 15 going .003 to .005 further into the case from what you shot today and see what happens. I shoot .223 Berger VLD's .075 off the lands and 80SMK's jammed in. Can't never tell what works till ya try it.

Bipod and a bunny ear squeeze bag is my favorite. I use a Sinclair I have frozen the cant on and shoot on a plywood mat topped with floor mat rubber. I prefer bipod over a rest and sometimes even shoot F open off the bipod instead of lugging a 35 pound rest to the line

kilotanker22 · February 2, 2019, 09:44 PM

LOL, My rear bag from the Bi-pod is literally a large sock filled with rice.....

The Bi-pod I am using is nothing special. It was like $40 at Walmart, but works well. I like the fact that it will cant if I need it to. The Harris Bipods I have form my Army days don't do that.

I will load more ELD-X Tuesday. Tonight I loaded up more bergers and some of those Deer season XP bullets that I pulled. With the Bergers I am gonna do a ladder test with Magpro.

At 47 grains I had no pressure signs at all. I will probably do a test from 47 grains Magpro up to 49 grains of Magpro. Tonight I loaded 47.5 and 48 grains of Magpro.

I also Loaded a little hotter with RL 26. see if that changes the groups at all. Also I would like to know where I top out with it. With the Berger and 48 grains that I loaded tonight of RL 26. They are just barely compressed. I will also Chronograph these loads Tuesday.

I worked up to 43.5 Grains of H-4350 today before I had an ejector mark and a little bit of a crater on the primer. So I think maybe by tweaking that 42 grain load with the ELD_X should work out well.

I am gonna buy more 130 grain and 123 grain bullets for this rifle.

hounddawg · February 2, 2019, 11:10 PM

Cant is not my friend. PRS and hunters need it, I don't. I shoot from a flat concrete pad or flat field, no precision matches. I will shim the pad with 1/4 inch ply shims if the field is off level. I epoxy'ed my Sinclair to eliminate any possible cant and disabled the vertical as well. The adjustable vertical had about a sixteenth of slop unless cranked all the way to the bottom so I did and it hasn't moved since.

A lot of the guys shoot Joypods, I tried a friends and did not care for it

Looks like you are on track with a good load though, grats.

zeke · February 3, 2019, 11:11 AM

Have had excellent results with 140 eld match, 41.5 gns h-4350, Fed 210 and Hdy brass. The 6.5 cm bolt owned is a rpr with harris bipod. May be a lot of value going to lighter bullet at higher speeds for moderate distance. A friend has had good luck with the 120 eld-m and varget. Not the fastest, but very accurate at 600 yds (the furthest our range goes to).

kilotanker22 · February 3, 2019, 04:47 PM

I clean d the another out of this rifle last night. And today I found that it needs some fouling shots to shoot well. (no surprise). I fired 3 fouling shots prior to shooting groups, but I don't think that was enough.

The first 2 shots from my group with H4350 and the ELD-X were still out of zero. Shots 3-5 were right on. Kinda ruined that group.

Anyway, the Berger OTM bullet did well with RL 26. I bet that bullet is hauling a#$ too. Will post photos later.

hounddawg · February 3, 2019, 07:37 PM

How often you cleaning ? I like to go 100- 200 between cleanings as the throat evolves. I generally will clean after a match ( 75 rounds) but not after workups or practice unless I experimenting with different powders. I do like to clean between powders for no other reason than that was how I was taught

kilotanker22 · February 3, 2019, 08:08 PM

Put 100 rounds through it yesterday. Another 50 today. I usually clean them every 50-100 rounds when they are new. By the time I finish load workup, it will have 500 rounds or so. Then I don't clean it at all besides knocking carbon out of it. Until accuracy goes down the tube. Then out comes the copper too.

The 5R barrel on my TC Venture rifle. Hardly fouls at all. After 300 rounds I barely got any copper at all.

After 100 rounds in this rifle yesterday I got a fair amount of copper out.

kilotanker22 · February 3, 2019, 08:12 PM

Here is one of those groups. This is 5 shots with the Berger 130 OTM Tactical. And RL 26.

February 1, 2019, 03:20 PM	#27
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	I tried 120SMKs(#6), 123 SMKs ( #1 all around bullet in three barrels) , 123 Noslers(#4), 140 SMKs(#3), 140 Noslers (#2), and 142 SMKs(#5) in 6.5 bullets __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek

February 1, 2019, 10:16 PM	#29
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	if you are not in love with speed H4831SC might work for you. This was 140 gn Nosler CC's shot from a 260 Rem with a 26 inch barrel. I could load to 44.5 plus or minus .1 grain using my RCBS Chargemaster and have single digit extreme spreads. Good temp stability also. This load worked in 2 of my .260's. Might do a ladder test from 39.6 to 43.5 in the CM to check for nodes. Looking forward to see your results on the magpro WARNING This is .260 Remington data, 6.5 Creedmoor has a minimum of 39.6 and a maximum of 43.5 using a 140 gn bullet on the Hogdon load data site Code: Name: 4831 Sc 44.6 Number of Shots 5 Extreme Spread 29 Average 2752 Standard Deviation 9 Shot List 1 2737 2 2754 3 2754 4 2766 5 2749 Name: 4831 Sc 44.5 Number of Shots 5 Extreme Spread 11 Average 2748 Standard Deviation 3 Shot List 1 2749 2 2749 3 2754 4 2749 5 2743 Name: 4831 Sc 44.4 Number of Shots 5 Extreme Spread 17 Average 2743 Standard Deviation 6 Shot List 1 2743 2 2749 3 2743 4 2749 5 2732 legal stuff this charge data is safe for this rifle and this barrel only. When developing a load use manufacturers data start with the minimum powder charge and work up slowly looking for pressure signs __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek Last edited by hounddawg; February 1, 2019 at 10:58 PM.

February 2, 2019, 07:29 AM	#30
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Spatsmagee would be proud of you. He's a lawyer, just not my lawyer. Lol Kilo, Your worried about accuracy potential of RL26, but ordered a 8# jug of it? I'll vouch for the accuracy of RL26. Has been very accurate, and fast, in everything i've tried it in. Just some rifles i don't like the recoil impulse. Notable 284 Win, 280 Rem. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

February 2, 2019, 06:46 PM	#39
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	Nice targets! I would take a session like that any day If that were mine I would take the eldx and try moving the seating depth in and out in .003 increments and I bet you can get that down into the threes or fours if you do your part. Also bet if you go with a F Class bipod or medium priced rest and a squeeze bag you will start eliminating flyers. Lead sleds teach bad habits. Oh and go prone, lay down and shoot like a man __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek

February 2, 2019, 08:59 PM	#43
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	LOL at the prone in the snow part. Last match I shot there was no snow but it was 30F and we shooting on frozen ground. I carry some old carpet in my kit to put my shooting mat on days like those. Never shot ELDX's but I would try shooting 10 or 15 going .003 to .005 further into the case from what you shot today and see what happens. I shoot .223 Berger VLD's .075 off the lands and 80SMK's jammed in. Can't never tell what works till ya try it. Bipod and a bunny ear squeeze bag is my favorite. I use a Sinclair I have frozen the cant on and shoot on a plywood mat topped with floor mat rubber. I prefer bipod over a rest and sometimes even shoot F open off the bipod instead of lugging a 35 pound rest to the line __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek

February 1, 2019, 06:22 PM	#28
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I have a bunch of Winchester deer season xp bullets that I pulled from factory ammo, a bunch of Berger 130 great otm tactical. And some 143 grain ELD-X. Was getting setup today, and mag length for the ELD-X is .022 off the lands I figure that's a good place to start. I am gonna load with H4350, RL 26 and Magpro tonight to try out at the range tomorrow.

February 2, 2019, 06:01 PM	#36
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	So I just got back from the range. I was a little suprised to see what my 2 best shooting loads were.... I will post pictures soon.

February 2, 2019, 07:25 PM	#40
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	well I am not going prone in a foot of snow. The ELD-X is .025 off of the lands, and It can not go out anymore. I am at mag length. I can work on moving them in a little. The Bergers shot well with the magpro so I will definitely load those again. Also Berger says that you can hunt with the OTM Tactical bullets. They have a thicker jacket than the match bullets. I got my reloder 26 today, so I will work with that a little, but it didn't shoot that well with either the eld-x or the berger otm bullet. About 1.5 inch groups. Although that could have been me and being on that stupid sled. These were all fired with Federal gold medal brass and cci 200 primers. With exception to the factory Winchester ammunition.

February 2, 2019, 07:29 PM	#41
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I am thinking that I will go buy a box of Sierra Tipped game king 130 grain bullets. They are about half the price of the berger bullets. Also the Hornady ELD-M 130 grain

February 2, 2019, 07:31 PM	#42
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Also Houndawg, I am pretty steady from the Bipod and a simple rear bag... I think that I will shoot like that from now on.

February 2, 2019, 09:44 PM	#44
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	LOL, My rear bag from the Bi-pod is literally a large sock filled with rice..... The Bi-pod I am using is nothing special. It was like $40 at Walmart, but works well. I like the fact that it will cant if I need it to. The Harris Bipods I have form my Army days don't do that. I will load more ELD-X Tuesday. Tonight I loaded up more bergers and some of those Deer season XP bullets that I pulled. With the Bergers I am gonna do a ladder test with Magpro. At 47 grains I had no pressure signs at all. I will probably do a test from 47 grains Magpro up to 49 grains of Magpro. Tonight I loaded 47.5 and 48 grains of Magpro. I also Loaded a little hotter with RL 26. see if that changes the groups at all. Also I would like to know where I top out with it. With the Berger and 48 grains that I loaded tonight of RL 26. They are just barely compressed. I will also Chronograph these loads Tuesday. I worked up to 43.5 Grains of H-4350 today before I had an ejector mark and a little bit of a crater on the primer. So I think maybe by tweaking that 42 grain load with the ELD_X should work out well. I am gonna buy more 130 grain and 123 grain bullets for this rifle.

February 2, 2019, 11:10 PM	#45
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	Cant is not my friend. PRS and hunters need it, I don't. I shoot from a flat concrete pad or flat field, no precision matches. I will shim the pad with 1/4 inch ply shims if the field is off level. I epoxy'ed my Sinclair to eliminate any possible cant and disabled the vertical as well. The adjustable vertical had about a sixteenth of slop unless cranked all the way to the bottom so I did and it hasn't moved since. A lot of the guys shoot Joypods, I tried a friends and did not care for it Looks like you are on track with a good load though, grats. __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek

February 3, 2019, 11:11 AM	#46
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,671	Have had excellent results with 140 eld match, 41.5 gns h-4350, Fed 210 and Hdy brass. The 6.5 cm bolt owned is a rpr with harris bipod. May be a lot of value going to lighter bullet at higher speeds for moderate distance. A friend has had good luck with the 120 eld-m and varget. Not the fastest, but very accurate at 600 yds (the furthest our range goes to).

February 3, 2019, 04:47 PM	#47
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I clean d the another out of this rifle last night. And today I found that it needs some fouling shots to shoot well. (no surprise). I fired 3 fouling shots prior to shooting groups, but I don't think that was enough. The first 2 shots from my group with H4350 and the ELD-X were still out of zero. Shots 3-5 were right on. Kinda ruined that group. Anyway, the Berger OTM bullet did well with RL 26. I bet that bullet is hauling a#$ too. Will post photos later.

February 3, 2019, 07:37 PM	#48
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 4,232	How often you cleaning ? I like to go 100- 200 between cleanings as the throat evolves. I generally will clean after a match ( 75 rounds) but not after workups or practice unless I experimenting with different powders. I do like to clean between powders for no other reason than that was how I was taught __________________ “How do I get to the next level?” Well, you get to the next level by being the first one on the range and the last one to leave.” – Jerry Miculek Last edited by hounddawg; February 3, 2019 at 07:42 PM.

February 3, 2019, 08:08 PM	#49
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Put 100 rounds through it yesterday. Another 50 today. I usually clean them every 50-100 rounds when they are new. By the time I finish load workup, it will have 500 rounds or so. Then I don't clean it at all besides knocking carbon out of it. Until accuracy goes down the tube. Then out comes the copper too. The 5R barrel on my TC Venture rifle. Hardly fouls at all. After 300 rounds I barely got any copper at all. After 100 rounds in this rifle yesterday I got a fair amount of copper out.