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Old January 2, 2010, 10:53 PM   #1
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best accuracy from '03 springfield barrel

im trying to work up a load from my '03 springfield barrel fitted to a mauser action. im on a limited budget. 30-06 of course

the gun has a 2 grove barrel, and has no pitting from what i can see. the crown is in good shape as well.



heres what i have

bl-c(2) powder might could get a hold of some h414.
150 grain hornady boat tail sst
165 grain sierra gameking

anyone know any good loads for this caliber?
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Old January 3, 2010, 08:36 AM   #2
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The SGK 165gr with BL-C2 at 49.0 gr using a Winchester Large Rifle primer and Remington brass. Overall length at 3.34 inches. It works great in my Rem 700 and I have used the same recipe with 168 gr match bullets too.
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Old January 3, 2010, 01:58 PM   #3
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Both BL-C2 and H414 are ball powders. Although the BL-C2 will work in the 30-06, it is better suited for 308Win and down. The H41 has a very wide range of applications,and would be my choice of the 2 powders listed.
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Old January 3, 2010, 03:09 PM   #4
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ok thats what most people seam to say. i often find some powder left in the cases when i load 48 grains bl-c(2). IS this unburnt powder?
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Old January 6, 2010, 04:20 PM   #5
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Cheap test for you:
Get 5 , 180 grain factory loads
Get 5 , 150 grain factory loads

What group shot better @ 100 yards?

You need a reference point to start with. Before you reload anything.


I shot 180's in my old 03-A3 that I rebuilt years ago. It just happend to like 180 rem bronze Points (no longer available) and H-4831, CCI Mag primers

It's possible that the two-groove barrel won't grip the lighter bullets (Shorter) well enough. The 180s, being longer, grip the two-groove barrel better with the faster twist(1 in 10).

Just my 2 cents....
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Old January 9, 2010, 01:31 PM   #6
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ok ya i will try this. ive been shooting some 150 grain hornady sst, and they perform great with 48 grains of bl-c(2).

can someone explain powder burn rate, will a lighter bullet perform better with a faster burning powder?

also does bl-c(2) like to be loaded closer to max? i read somewhere that it did.

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Old January 9, 2010, 03:02 PM   #7
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It's more that a slow powder performs better with a heavier bullet. Hard to ignite powders, like spherical propellants, burn more completely with a heavier bullet, too.

All powders need enough pressure to burn completely. A light bullet can be too easy to push down the bore, offering too little of Isaac Newton's "equal and opposite reaction" force for a slower powder to build pressure against. Using a faster powder builds pressure against that low resistance faster. In effect, the powder burn has to keep up with the bullet going down the bore faster. As the bullet goes down the bore, the total volume the powder burns in gets bigger. That's because the volume of the bore behind the bullet is being added to what was already in the chamber. That works to reduce pressure. That additional bore volume is what is meant by the term "expansion" in internal ballistics. The ratio of the volume behind the bullet in a case expanded to fill the chamber, to that same volume with the volume of the whole bore added to it at the moment the bullet is about to exit the muzzle, is called the expansion ratio of the gun.

For 150's, IMR4064 is a powder that does well, as it has enough bulk to fill the case well at reasonable charge levels. Hodgdon gives 47 grains to start and 51 grains maximum with the 150 grain Nosler in a Winchester case using Winchester WLR primer and seated to 3.250" length. The Hornady 150 grain BT FMJ seats to 3.185" COL with the cannelure lined up with the case mouth of a case trimmed to 2.484", and in Lake City cases with Federal 210 primers, I found 48.5 grains of IMR4064 to be about the best load out of my Springfield and Garand, both with that bullet at that COL. Your SST seats a little longer to 3.230" and a little deeper, according to Hornady's manual, and in QuickLOAD if you knock 0.4 grains of my load, performance should match. So 48.1 grains of IMR4064 in Lake City cases.

Hodgdon also lists BL-C(2), but 49 grains is the starting load and 54 grains is maximum. Since you are under that range, you probably don't have enough pressure to burn the powder completely. Ball powders also, in my experience, benefit from deburring case flash holes to help with ignition. They also benefit from using magnum primers to help with ignition. If you don't want to change powder, I would at least get some magnum primers to try, if you haven't done that already, and move the charge up. If I use QuickLOAD to look at the barrel times, it appears to me it will take about 51.3 grains of BL-C(2) to match the 4064 load I gave for the SST. It won't be as consistent because it fills the case about 81%, where the IMR4064 load is closer to 90%, which will reduce MV ES. If you go to the magnum primer, you may have to reduce it as much as 5% to get the performance match, but there is no way to know until you try?

But again, that is in Lake City cases. They come out of my Springfield's chamber with 69.2 grains as-fired case water capacity on average, when trimmed to 2.484" before firing. I don't know what brass you're using? Remington cases I got in the past used to match the Lake City volume pretty closely in my guns, but I haven't measured them for a number of years. The rule of thumb for rifle powders in the load density range we are using is going to be to raise the charge 0.5 grains for each additional grain of case water capacity you have available in a fired case, and vice versa.

IMR4064 will also work very well, perhaps even best, with your 165 grain bullet if you decide to get some? Match rifle and Garand shooters have favored IMR4064 with 168 grain Sierra MatchKings in the .30-06 for decades now.

Attached is Hodgdon's 150 grain bullet data.
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Old January 10, 2010, 03:26 AM   #8
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150 nosler BT and 51.9 grains of IMR 4895 1/2 inch group 200 yds out of 03A3 4 groove barrel.
did it more than once
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Old January 12, 2010, 04:05 PM   #9
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thanks a bunch for the information.

i just finished loading up a bunch at about 50.8 grains of bl-c(2), and i think my next batch will be at 52.7 since i have a lee dipper that size.

ill let u guys know how it goes
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Old January 18, 2010, 09:55 AM   #10
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does anyone know a good optimal oal for 30-06 in a springfield?
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