whens Ray Woodward gonna plan another Jersey shoot - Page 2

pdmoderator · July 23, 2002, 03:40 PM

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I've never shot any kind of competition, but that doesn't mean you should all rest easy. I've got skills...Are we shooting pistols only? What is the format or rules?

See http://hydrowar.8m.com/formations.html

- pdmoderator

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 23, 2002, 03:43 PM

the pistol course, timed.

Here is the site for the course requirements.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf

We are going to shoot the 60 round course of fire starting out at 25 yards and working our way in to 1 yard. Page
# 9-62 will give you the rundown on the course for those of you who want to practice. It is Qualification "IS R HQC
1" ($5.00 each, 50/50)

We are going to have a rope shoot and a pin shoot.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 23, 2002, 03:51 PM

here is the mapquest.com map. If you want directions, use the address and map it from your location. The right
turn into the driveway is at mile marker 14/5 when you are on Rt. 72E. I hope this helps. Anyone needing further
assistance please let me know.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.ad...%2bW21TFD3Fw%3d

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 23, 2002, 04:00 PM

info....
Bring a holster for the police qual if you have one. You can put your mags in
your pockets if you want but you should have some sort of holster to draw from.
You must bring your own ammo. Bring targets for later but I have the targets
for the police qual. If you bring your significant other there is a living room with a fireplace, radio T.V., indoor plumbing etc. for them
to relax while you go postal on the range. My wife will be there and it looks like two other TFLers will be bringing
theirs also so don't be shy. My 15 year old son and 13 year old daughter will be there shooting also so if you have a teenager who would like to come
and try some shooting they are more than welcome.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 23, 2002, 04:08 PM

From the State Police Firearms site...

All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey:

Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or
locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include
only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does
not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a
locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 23, 2002, 04:09 PM

New Jersey's view of interstate transportation..

State of New Jersey
Department of Law and Public Safety
DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
25 Market Street
Trenton, New Jersey

TO: ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HEADS

FROM: Robert T Winter
Director of the Division of Criminal Justice

DATE: January 4, 1991

SUBJECT: Interstate Transport of Firearms

The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New
Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey

I. New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration an licenses do
not apply to a person who is transporting a firearm through this State it that person is transporting the
firearm in a manner permitted by federal law 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

II. This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following
requirements are met:
A. The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began;
B. The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end;
C. The person is transporting the firearm for a lawful purpose;
D. The firearm is unloaded;
E. The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle;
F. The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle;
G. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm
must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;

H. The person is not
1. a convicted felon
2. a fugitive from justice
3. an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or
4. an illegal alien

I. The person has not
1. been adjudicated to be a mental defective
2. been committed to a mental institution
3. been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or
4. renounced his United States citizenship

III. A person who is transporting a firearm through the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by 18
U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice.

IV. Procedure for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms.

1. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law
should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion

2. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of
the firearm may be permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to
determine whether the person's possession is permitted by the federal law.

3. If reasonable inquires lead the officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either
New Jersey law or U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II., the officer should promptly allow the
person to proceed.

4. Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation
of New Jersey law and not permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A,as described above in Section II, then the officer
should make an arrest.

FlyinGN · July 23, 2002, 04:29 PM

Just to let you guys know too.. I have never been in any type of shoot like this and last time I did REALLY well/ Don't be overwhelmed by the competition.. Its really fun and not really hard.. Its a FUN time..

Frank

PATH · July 23, 2002, 09:33 PM

Ray,

Thanks for the invite. I don't think I can make it due to work but I'm gonna see if I can get out there.

PATH

David Park · July 23, 2002, 10:58 PM

Ray, the Mapquest link didn't post correctly. Here's a working one I found in an old thread:

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...2bW21TFD3Fw%3d

It's supposedly a 4.5 hour drive from here. I'd better wake up early!

Hard_Case · July 24, 2002, 07:53 AM

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Just to let you guys know too.. I have never been in any type of shoot like this and last time I did REALLY well/ Don't be overwhelmed by the competition.. Its really fun and not really hard.. Its a FUN time..

Considering that this will probably be the fifth time I've ever gone shooting, it's kinda hard NOT to be overwhelmed.....I honestly don't care much for the 'competition' part.....I'm only focusing on having fun and picking up some pointers!

Quote:

Frank

How many Franks do we have coming to this thing? Two so far, at least.....

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 24, 2002, 03:30 PM

David Park & others:

If you are coming from another state or would like to come from another state but the drive is too far, let me extend a further invitation to you. The club has the capability to sleep over 36 individuals. If you guys want, you can stay over until Sunday morning. There is plenty of space. Just bring a sleeping bag. Showers are at the club also. For those who want to tent camp, we have an area for that also. Just some food for thought.

Any takers?

RWK · July 24, 2002, 04:26 PM

Thanks for your just-received invitation and also for all your excellent work in setting this up. Unfortunately, my family will be on vacation in South Carolina that weekend. Have a great time and PLEASE post an "after action" report.

Best regards -- Roy

David Park · July 24, 2002, 05:40 PM

Ray, what time is the meet going to be? If it's going to be a long day, I might sleep over. (TFL slumber party!)

I just read the pistol course requirements. That's pretty tough! (Do NJ cops routinely attempt 25-yard shots one-handed?) At least the Q targets are pretty big.

I'll try to remember to bring my digital camera.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 24, 2002, 06:10 PM

Shoot will start at 10:00am until we stop shooting! The course really isn't that hard, ask FlyinGn.

lochaber · July 25, 2002, 01:41 AM

Ok. I'll do my best to make it there this time. I'll give it a %90 chance, because you just never know. The only thing that stinks is that everyone seems to have a new gun but me

Darn it, 5 guns and still one only one I can use for this. Oh well the CZ 75 will just have to keep up. BTW how many rounds do you expect to need? I'm trying to figure out if I need to order a new case of if the stuff I have is enough.

See ya there
Loch

PS: lets hope that if it rains again, TFL wont be down at the same time and I'll be able to find out if we are on

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 25, 2002, 03:23 PM

Minimum 100 rounds as 60 will be used on the police qual. The other 40 will be used for the rope and pin shoot. if you can, bring more unless your that good of a shot!

K80Geoff · July 26, 2002, 07:38 PM

Can I use my Winchester 92 clone in 45LC?

lochaber · July 26, 2002, 10:31 PM

hehe .. I'm not that good of a shot

so of course I'll bring more. I was only asking in case that the average was like 500 rounds. Hmm wouldnt that be fun

?

Loch

RAY WOODROW 3RD · July 27, 2002, 02:52 PM

That is a rifle, correct? If it is a pistol your more than welcomed to use it.

Jamie Young · July 27, 2002, 04:43 PM

Geoff,
If you bring that thing, you have to wear a Cowboy hat and boots.

K80Geoff · July 27, 2002, 09:12 PM

Yes it is a rifle, a lever gun as a matter of fact, and it shoots pistol caliber 45Long colt.

OK soda, I won't shave or bathe for a week ahead of time to be in character, gotta get me some Beech Nut too!

Dammit, where is my union suit!

Quantrill · July 28, 2002, 08:25 AM

Pistol caliber lever or pump guns are the required rifles for CAS matches that are shot under S.A.S.S. rules. Rifle caliber rifles are sometimes used for side matches. Shotguns must be sxs with NO ejectors or a pump gun loaded with only 2 rounds such as I brought and shot last time (1897 Winchester). Pistols must be single action. All guns should be 1900 or before or a replica thereof. Calibers are preferred to be of that time period also. Quantrill

Jamie Young · July 28, 2002, 12:56 PM

Ugh

I just found out I have to go with My Uncle to bring My two Nephews down the shore on the 24th. I must have been looking at the wrong calendar.

FlyinGN · July 29, 2002, 11:32 AM

nawww it really NOT hard.. Its really fun.. I don't shoot as much as I would like. (about 5 times a year) and I finished 2nd with a 3.5" Barrel Kahr..

Frank

Jamie Young · July 29, 2002, 05:18 PM

Who came in 3rd?

July 23, 2002, 03:43 PM	#27
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Ammoeater and others.......................... the pistol course, timed. Here is the site for the course requirements. http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf We are going to shoot the 60 round course of fire starting out at 25 yards and working our way in to 1 yard. Page # 9-62 will give you the rundown on the course for those of you who want to practice. It is Qualification "IS R HQC 1" ($5.00 each, 50/50) We are going to have a rope shoot and a pin shoot. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 23, 2002, 03:51 PM	#28
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Directions to club...... here is the mapquest.com map. If you want directions, use the address and map it from your location. The right turn into the driveway is at mile marker 14/5 when you are on Rt. 72E. I hope this helps. Anyone needing further assistance please let me know. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.ad...%2bW21TFD3Fw%3d __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 23, 2002, 04:00 PM	#29
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	info.... Bring a holster for the police qual if you have one. You can put your mags in your pockets if you want but you should have some sort of holster to draw from. You must bring your own ammo. Bring targets for later but I have the targets for the police qual. If you bring your significant other there is a living room with a fireplace, radio T.V., indoor plumbing etc. for them to relax while you go postal on the range. My wife will be there and it looks like two other TFLers will be bringing theirs also so don't be shy. My 15 year old son and 13 year old daughter will be there shooting also so if you have a teenager who would like to come and try some shooting they are more than welcome. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 23, 2002, 04:08 PM	#30
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	more info.... From the State Police Firearms site... All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey: Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances. The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 23, 2002, 04:09 PM	#31
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	New Jersey's view of interstate transportation.. State of New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE 25 Market Street Trenton, New Jersey TO: ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HEADS FROM: Robert T Winter Director of the Division of Criminal Justice DATE: January 4, 1991 SUBJECT: Interstate Transport of Firearms The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey I. New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration an licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting a firearm through this State it that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law 18 U.S.C.A. 926A. II. This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following requirements are met: A. The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began; B. The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end; C. The person is transporting the firearm for a lawful purpose; D. The firearm is unloaded; E. The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle; F. The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle; G. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console; H. The person is not 1. a convicted felon 2. a fugitive from justice 3. an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or 4. an illegal alien I. The person has not 1. been adjudicated to be a mental defective 2. been committed to a mental institution 3. been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or 4. renounced his United States citizenship III. A person who is transporting a firearm through the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice. IV. Procedure for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms. 1. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion 2. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearm may be permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by the federal law. 3. If reasonable inquires lead the officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II., the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed. 4. Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A,as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 23, 2002, 04:29 PM	#32
FlyinGN Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2001 Location: South Jersey Posts: 402	Just to let you guys know too.. I have never been in any type of shoot like this and last time I did REALLY well/ Don't be overwhelmed by the competition.. Its really fun and not really hard.. Its a FUN time.. Frank

July 23, 2002, 09:33 PM	#33
PATH Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 1999 Location: Rockland, NY Posts: 1,489	Ray, Thanks for the invite. I don't think I can make it due to work but I'm gonna see if I can get out there. PATH __________________ For sure it is an evil spite, and breaking to the heart, For Irishmen to watch a fight and not be taking part. -Robert Service 'How MacPherson Held The Floor'

July 23, 2002, 10:58 PM	#34
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	Ray, the Mapquest link didn't post correctly. Here's a working one I found in an old thread: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...2bW21TFD3Fw%3d It's supposedly a 4.5 hour drive from here. I'd better wake up early!

July 24, 2002, 03:30 PM	#36
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Extended invitation.......... David Park & others: If you are coming from another state or would like to come from another state but the drive is too far, let me extend a further invitation to you. The club has the capability to sleep over 36 individuals. If you guys want, you can stay over until Sunday morning. There is plenty of space. Just bring a sleeping bag. Showers are at the club also. For those who want to tent camp, we have an area for that also. Just some food for thought. Any takers? __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 24, 2002, 04:26 PM	#37
RWK Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 1999 Location: Occupied Virginia Posts: 2,777	Ray . . . Thanks for your just-received invitation and also for all your excellent work in setting this up. Unfortunately, my family will be on vacation in South Carolina that weekend. Have a great time and PLEASE post an "after action" report. Best regards -- Roy __________________ __________________ Μολών λαβέ!

July 24, 2002, 05:40 PM	#38
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	Ray, what time is the meet going to be? If it's going to be a long day, I might sleep over. (TFL slumber party!) I just read the pistol course requirements. That's pretty tough! (Do NJ cops routinely attempt 25-yard shots one-handed?) At least the Q targets are pretty big. I'll try to remember to bring my digital camera.

July 24, 2002, 06:10 PM	#39
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Shoot will start at 10:00am until we stop shooting! The course really isn't that hard, ask FlyinGn. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 25, 2002, 01:41 AM	#40
lochaber Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2000 Location: NJ Posts: 152	Ok. I'll do my best to make it there this time. I'll give it a %90 chance, because you just never know. The only thing that stinks is that everyone seems to have a new gun but me Darn it, 5 guns and still one only one I can use for this. Oh well the CZ 75 will just have to keep up. BTW how many rounds do you expect to need? I'm trying to figure out if I need to order a new case of if the stuff I have is enough. See ya there Loch PS: lets hope that if it rains again, TFL wont be down at the same time and I'll be able to find out if we are on

July 25, 2002, 03:23 PM	#41
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	lochaber...... Minimum 100 rounds as 60 will be used on the police qual. The other 40 will be used for the rope and pin shoot. if you can, bring more unless your that good of a shot! __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 26, 2002, 07:38 PM	#42
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Can I use my Winchester 92 clone in 45LC? __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

July 26, 2002, 10:31 PM	#43
lochaber Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2000 Location: NJ Posts: 152	hehe .. I'm not that good of a shot so of course I'll bring more. I was only asking in case that the average was like 500 rounds. Hmm wouldnt that be fun ? Loch __________________ --- YOU save the whales. Leave ME alone.

July 27, 2002, 02:52 PM	#44
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	K80Geoff...... That is a rifle, correct? If it is a pistol your more than welcomed to use it. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

July 27, 2002, 04:43 PM	#45
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Geoff, If you bring that thing, you have to wear a Cowboy hat and boots. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

July 27, 2002, 09:12 PM	#46
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Yes it is a rifle, a lever gun as a matter of fact, and it shoots pistol caliber 45Long colt. OK soda, I won't shave or bathe for a week ahead of time to be in character, gotta get me some Beech Nut too! Dammit, where is my union suit! __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

July 28, 2002, 08:25 AM	#47
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	Pistol caliber lever or pump guns are the required rifles for CAS matches that are shot under S.A.S.S. rules. Rifle caliber rifles are sometimes used for side matches. Shotguns must be sxs with NO ejectors or a pump gun loaded with only 2 rounds such as I brought and shot last time (1897 Winchester). Pistols must be single action. All guns should be 1900 or before or a replica thereof. Calibers are preferred to be of that time period also. Quantrill

July 28, 2002, 12:56 PM	#48
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Ugh I just found out I have to go with My Uncle to bring My two Nephews down the shore on the 24th. I must have been looking at the wrong calendar. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

July 29, 2002, 11:32 AM	#49
FlyinGN Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2001 Location: South Jersey Posts: 402	nawww it really NOT hard.. Its really fun.. I don't shoot as much as I would like. (about 5 times a year) and I finished 2nd with a 3.5" Barrel Kahr.. Frank

July 29, 2002, 05:18 PM	#50
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Who came in 3rd? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!