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Ridge Runner, some of these guys have a monetary interest in the sale of sliencers. Others are recruits from some silencer forum. Good old boys I'm sure, but not representative. And there are a couple that just like silencers and can make a coherent sentence wiithout demonizing anybody who doesn't.
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If you ask NC LEO's " Are silencers legal?" with no coaching, the answer will be overwhelmingly "No". If this is inconvenient perhaps some advertising would help since almost everybody is aware that concealed carry permits are obtainable although concealed weapons are still illegal otherwise. Few other than the choir would think the reward/benefit for the trouble involved between getting a CCW permit or a silencer "permit" is a valid comparison. Anything about disliking silencers making gun owners look bad or demonstating one is Quote:
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" Harry Bonar
Senior Member Join Date: 2004-12-05 Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area. Posts: 1,436 silencers Sirs; I have simply given my opinion. That is all it is - it is simply no reason for the personal attacks which I deem to be mean spirited and impolite. I've tried to just brush this off and defuse the situation but to no avail. It appears that there is no respect given to a 73 year old mans simple opinion anymore. The statements made about me are all false; I've been a supporter on T.V. and news print in my area for gun rights several times. I've worked on guns my entire adult life - I love guns. I've done "contract" work for Charleston WVa police sniper division - homeland defense, desert storm A10 pilots and many other agencies un-named. I've supplied an ex-Vietnam sniper, forensic team leader whose picture with his crew was in J.Edgar Hoovers office till his retirement. I worked contracted for Wayne Novaks 45 Shop for years on special projects. I am a loyal American and support the second amendment. I'm old fashioned in my views and make no apology for them. Now, I've taken your remarks and resent them and will post no more on this subject - my views run the same now as then Now, I wish you all well - I hope you enjoy your sport; I just would like some of you to grow up and respect others opinions without demeaning them personally. I wish you all well. Harry B." By my count you were the first with the insults. Educate yourself. |
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OK..I've read 6 pages of this, and now I would like to add a thing or two.
1) Silencers are legal in many places, whether you like it or not. 2) Criminals are opportunistic in nature. If they want to kill you silently, they will do it with a knife, pillow, homemade silencer, or steal one from a legal owner. Criminals don't care if it is legal or not. Criminals don't care about your opinions either. 3) Silencers can be used for reasons other than hollywood like assassinations. There are plenty of legal reason to utilize one. How great the need for a silencer is, however, is arguable. 4) If you are a sensitive person, don't make unreasonable, un-informed comments that are likely to draw criticism. Anyway, all that being said, silencers are legal in NC, even though you can't just go get one at wal-mart. And they're jolly good fun too. |
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ZeroJunk,
You keep equivocating, changing context, and simply misdirecting to attempt to support your point. You've got no legs to stand on in this argument. You were factually wrong and many people have pointed out. With nothing factual and no good argument fall back on, you found it easier to attack the messengers by saying they called you names or have a vested interest in silencers. Here are few concrete examples: Quote:
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KS Governor signed legislation, a few months ago, that will allow Kansas firearm retailers, manufacturers, importers and citizens qualified under the National Firearms Act to sell, manufacture, import and own NFA firearms. Additionally, they may be owned by Class 3 dealers and Class 2 manufacturers (but not individuals) in: CA, IA, MA, MO, and MI. Please, any one is welcome to correct my list if I'm wrong. The smart ones will check with BATF, the States Statutes, State Attorneys office, Silencer forum, Local class 3 dealer or Silencer manufacturer for information on silencers. The dumb ones....well, we already know where they go. |
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Since when is asking LEO's about the law a good idea?
You could as 100 officers if open carry is legal (in the states it's allowed) and I'd wager that most of them would instinctively reply "no". A poor arguement, at best. |
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To be clear, ad hominem attacks to the other side do not help your argument. However, if you feel compelled to personally attack me for other reasons, at least get your facts straight and cite them properly. -z
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I'm all for a good arguement every now and then, but I suspect that this has gone on for long enough and has nowhere good left to go....
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I was through with it until your post 120. Now, I'm through with it again. Anybody who wants to use a silencer, have fun.
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I work for the government, but I'm not here to help. I heard about this post on another forum, but was not dragged over here. I was wondering if there was a Zumbo clone here and it appears there is. The only gun forums I have been on where people have not insulted others by telling them that their silencers are illegal, immoral or some otherwise unamerican tripe have been subguns and silencertalk forums. If we do not remain united, then we will help those like the Brady bunch anbd the VPC take away our rights.
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If I'm not mistaken, Arizona, Texas, and many other states list these items as being illegal but NFA registration as an acceptable defense. Savvy? |
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