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December 15, 2019, 05:00 AM | #26 |
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I did carry a vz-58 concealed once, in a UTG Cover Carry bag, just to see if it was feasible. It was a huge PITA, but it worked at several appointments.
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December 15, 2019, 07:32 AM | #27 |
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December 15, 2019, 09:01 AM | #28 |
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December 15, 2019, 09:38 AM | #29 |
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December 15, 2019, 11:12 AM | #30 |
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December 15, 2019, 05:32 PM | #31 |
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There’s some truth to the “one gun” argument but it overlooks the fact many of us have to dress differently in different situations. Light summer attire leads to smaller, lighter handguns. Winter means a gun with bigger bang and a heavier gun. A suit means one type of gun while jeans means another. I admit to just like carrying a different gun sometimes.
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December 15, 2019, 06:06 PM | #32 |
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Since 2014ish, a Walther PPQm2, 9mm, with Federal HST 124gr +P in a leather IWB holster made by an Israeli manufacturer whose name I cannot recall. One extra mag in a Tortuga kydex OWB carrier. Since 2016ish, a Zero Tolerance 0566CF folder. Since 2016ish a Sofirn SF14v2.0 flashlight
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December 15, 2019, 06:51 PM | #33 |
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December 15, 2019, 07:16 PM | #34 | |
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I totally agree. I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea of regularly carrying several different guns of varying style, type, size, caliber, weight and intrinsic operations. I cant imagine how that can bolster my fighting prowess. I can however imagine how it can hinder it. Especially when you include physiology and typical stress reaction. In my opinion, it may be a mess waiting to happen I attended a carbine course a while back and my AR system rifle crapped out on me really bad ( I damaged the gas system) and I didn't have enough mags for my back up gun. A buddy gave me his back up and mags which was a AK variant. Even under superficial stress, I flubbed a couple of basic tasks and had to perform certain articulations (twice) because I naturally gave in to muscle memory and trained habit action. I did this probably 3 times during the same module. These errors could easily have been measurably problematic if it were a real fight. I carry a larger all steel gun in the winter and a smaller polymer gun in the summer. They are of different systems but I don't switch back and forth regularly. I train with and carry the same gun for 6 or 7 months at a time. I do this out of practical necessity and not out of some sort of entertainment value. I guess what this highlights is the stark difference between people to may be in the hobby of guns and those who simply carry a gun as a tool. I realize that I am probably in the minority with this opinion. I have carried and trained with guns for more than 30 years. I am nearly always armed with a handgun but to be quite honest, I have no affinity with guns and care nothing for them outside of it being a tool of specific purpose. I train regularly out of a sense of moral obligation and desire to maintain a reasonable proficiency. I have never considered shooting guns to be fun or entertaining... rather I consider the whole process to be burdensome and at times, punitive. Someone might read that and ask.. why am I here. Well, its not because for some interest in guns. I am here to foster discussions on the concept of self defense, personal safety and all things which may help mitigate crime and violence. Those discussions will often include guns but it doesn't mean I am a gun-guy. I think most of you here already know that Im not.
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December 15, 2019, 07:25 PM | #35 |
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Same gun I have carried since 1999. Keltec P32.
The "carry a bigger gun in the winter" thing never appealed to me. You are much more likely to need your gun in hot weather, when the crime rate is up. |
December 15, 2019, 07:53 PM | #36 |
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Carrying a bigger gun in the winter is about ease of concealment. I can easily carry a larger gun in the winter ( so why not). I am simply not going to trouble myself to carry a full frame auto during the summer. A smaller gun is a compromise on many levels for many reasons. I do not alter my life to include a gun. The gun will simply have to fit the manner in which I am carrying out my life. To do that( in the summer), its going to have to be a compact gun with half the capacity of my winter gun.
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December 15, 2019, 08:34 PM | #38 |
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December 15, 2019, 08:53 PM | #39 |
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December 15, 2019, 09:04 PM | #40 |
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I live in California. (Thank you. I appreciate your condolences .)
On a Ca CCW, you must specify your carry guns; to a maximum of three. So I can't just reach in my safe a grab any ol' gun - not that I would do that. The three on my permit: Kahr CW9 Smith 686+ (3" bbl) Glock 29SF (10mm) The climate here is warm and light, short-sleeve shirts are the order of the day about nine months out of the year. So in that kind of attire, only the Kahr hides well. But when the weather is cool and I can wear a wind-breaker, I carry the 686. It's the firearm with which I am the most comfortable and confident. I'm a revolver guy. So the big Smith is my go-to. That's why I like this time of year. I do carry the big Smith in the summer on rare occasion. For instance, when I go to the range where nobody cares if they see a carry piece printing. Or when I go to put gas in the car - where don't wander far from the pump. And I sometimes carry the Kahr in the winter. Such as, when I got my hair cut a couple days ago. I don't want the big Smith printing when I'm in the barber seat. And what about the Glock? Well it's a winter carry piece too. But I hardly carry it at all (probably been two years). I am not comfortable carrying it with a round in the chamber. The trigger has a short pull and makes me nervy. By contrast, the Kahr has a looooong trigger pull - giving plenty of "are you sure you want to do this" time. That's just me. Like I said, I'm a revolver guy.
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December 16, 2019, 02:03 AM | #41 |
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I think I see a tendency for the martial artists to surface and view the enthusiast and hobby shooter with a bit of disdain. The old adage of "beware the man with one gun" may well be true, ...........or it may not. Carry more than one "platform" and you are a fashion statement. The hard core, trained up, the gun is just a tool folks, drag out their catch phrases, recite the only way to do things, and look down upon those less informed or having less insight.
Not everyone has the opportunity to attend a shooting school and gain the benefits of force on force training and experience deadly force situations as part of the job. A level of competency with a wide range of firearms, acquired thru personal interest, shooting sports and a bit of training, I think makes for a well rounded shooter and one just as likely to survive an encounter as the "one gun" martial artist types. In fact, my own observations of LEO's in mixed competition is that a lot of them can't shoot near as well as the hobby shooters. If we're going to examine stress and muscle memory sort of things, how do we know that "our" platform will be the one with which we finish and win the fight? Guns break, take rounds and get disabled or have cartridge case head fails. In a prolonged fight (yeah not likely, but so is the likelihood of being in any fight, period) hopefully get replaced with pickups from other officers, maybe even the bad guys, which may or may not be "your" platform. You better be able to run a Glock, they're common. Same with the 1911 and DA revolvers. So to the AR .....AND....heaven forbid, the AK. And ,there were so many SKS's sold in my area for under $100 bucks, I think everybody in the state must have one. Don't forget all the shotgun types. Better to be students of the gun, than specialists with a gun. |
December 16, 2019, 09:08 AM | #42 |
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December 16, 2019, 10:12 AM | #43 |
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Currently during the colder months when I can easily conceal a compact under a jacket / hoodie / sweatshirt, I wear the Beretta Nano with a N82 Tactical Pro holster IWB . Combo works very well for me. I shoot the Nano very well.
During the summer Tee shirt weather I pocket carry the Kimber Micro 380 in the Desantis Nemasis . I'm a very thin build so full concealment of the Nano under a Tee doesn't work well for me.
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I carry both a semi-auto and a revolver. I practice a lot with both. Not always the same exact guns I carry, but guns with similar manual or arms. I can go back and forth easily with no false moves. I can also do the same thing with an AR and AK. It's because I do a lot of repetitions with those guns. With a lot of practice, you can use different guns. With a lot of practice, you brain will intuitively know which gun you are holding. But you definitely need to commit to practicing regularly with all and not favor a favorite (dry fire and dry weapons manipulation counts if you are doing it correctly and consistently!) To your point though, I drive a manual trans car exclusively. When I occasionally get into a rented car or work vehicle with an automatic, I'm looking for the gear shift. When I shoot a semi-auto handgun with a heal mag release, I look for the mag drop button (this is also why I never use a slide release lever and I never want a Colt revolver with their backwards cylinder latch). That's because I have uneven practice with those.
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December 17, 2019, 12:56 PM | #47 |
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Pretty much every day except Sunday, Glock 45 OWB, with 2 spare 17 rd magazines. On Sunday, Sig P365 in strong side pocket with spare 12 rd magazine.
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December 17, 2019, 05:54 PM | #48 |
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Regularly carrying multiple guns of varying operational characteristics is simply affording your brain another happenstance option during hyper neuron activity(stress). As important as self defense actually is to most of us, I find it exceedingly curious that so many people seemingly want to justify this whole gun of the day nonsense. I am not suggesting that someone stop doing what makes them feel good about their hobby. I am merely suggesting that it could be a problem if it ever becomes go-time. Quote:
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