7/11 robbery with robbers shot

**4V50 Gary** · January 14, 2018, 05:50 PM

2 robbers walk into 7/11 in Hamilton, NJ and attempt to rob the store. They are foiled when an armed security guard walks in and calmly shoots them. I don't particularly care for his verbal commands like put your hands behind your back or his act of climbing over the counter (puts him momentarily at a disadvantage), but he got the job done and wasn't hurt.

https://youtu.be/cfsOgarSc-Q

**JohnKSa** · January 14, 2018, 06:12 PM

Be aware that the video contains NSFW language.

Security guard fires two shots.

"Ahhh! It's fake!"

Security guard fires another shot.

"Ahhh! It's fake! It's fake!"

"Oh well... Mine is real..."

Looks like 3 shots fired and 3 hits made with a revolver.

**Aguila Blanca** · January 14, 2018, 07:53 PM

I love a story with a happy ending.

Another example of a failure in the victim selection process. Not quite as bad as trying to hold up a barroom full of off-duty cops, but close.

TXAZ · January 14, 2018, 08:02 PM

Stupid prizes for stupid actions.

My favorite line was the 'duuuuhhh' question when the robber on the right saw blood hoping for a different answer:

Robber: "Am I shot???"
Guard: "Oh F... yea!"

lamarw · January 14, 2018, 08:53 PM

I would be willing to bet the guard was armed with a .357 Magnum.

**Aguila Blanca** · January 14, 2018, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamarw

I would be willing to bet the guard was armed with a .357 Magnum.

I would almost be willing to be he wasn't. Many states limit the caliber firearm that armed security guards can carry. I'm not from New Jersey, so I'm guessing, but it wouldn't surprise me if the gun was a .38 Special.

Which makes the same size hole in the shootee ...

**4V50 Gary** · January 14, 2018, 09:57 PM

One thing that caught my interest is how a differently a cop would have responded.

Guard is very much like Dirty Harry. Walks in, begins firing.

Most cops would wait for backup. Flank the entrance and out of sight. Confront thieves outside the store to prevent hostage situation. Shotgun out and aimed at suspect. Shout, "Police! Don't move *expletive* Hands up *expletive*" or "Police, drop the gun *expletive*!

Instead the guard walks in blasting and then tells guy hands up. Then hands behind the back. That's a no-no. There could be another firearm behind his back. Keep the hands in sight please. Climbing over the counter was a shocker. He's at a disadvantage while in transit. Turns his back on a suspect.

Still, despite all his mistakes, he came out Dirty Harry cool and clean. I give the guard a lot of credit for his bravery and coolness under stress.

**Aguila Blanca** · January 14, 2018, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4V50 Gary

Still, despite all his mistakes, he came out Dirty Harry cool and clean. I give the guard a lot of credit for his bravery and coolness under stress.

I didn't quite catch it, but I think at one point the security guy said something like "You f***ed with the wrong one," or something along those lines. Basically, I think the security guy knew he was the big dawg, playing with puppies.

"Am I shot?"

"Hell, yeah!"

Armed_Chicagoan · January 16, 2018, 12:53 PM

That security guard doesn't play around, "mines is real" lol.

TXAZ · January 16, 2018, 02:14 PM

Does anyone else find it interesting that most of the media hasn’t picked this up?
One NJ radio station is questioning it now.

http://nj1015.com/good-guy-with-a-gu...otogallery-1=2

TXAZ · January 17, 2018, 10:54 AM

Looks like it was in Compton California, not NJ. Not sure that matters overall.
It was still nice to see a good guy with a gun mop up a bad guy with a (fake) gun.

http://nj1015.com/nope-good-guy-with...s-wasnt-in-nj/

Double Naught Spy · January 23, 2018, 07:14 PM

Looks like it was not in NJ and not in Compton, but was actually in Gardena, California.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/...ith-fake-guns/

Guard is not facing any charges at this point.

johnwilliamson062 · January 23, 2018, 09:22 PM

In my state an armed guard is required to attend 20 hours of classes to gain certification.
The police academy is many times that. Then officers usually receive a lot of additional training and oversight on the job.
An armed guard better hit the ground running. Armed guards also tend to do a lot more brawling. Many are pushed to exceed their legal bounds.

Certainly not perfect, but he stayed as calm as the rest of us do in the best of our fantasies.

TXAZ · January 23, 2018, 09:27 PM

Bottom line: A good guy with a (REAL) gun stopped 2 bad guys with a (fake) gun.
The pair have been nominated for a Darwin Award.

doofus47 · January 24, 2018, 11:25 AM

That was one calm and cool security guard.
Glad it all turned out safe for the good guys.

McHoss · January 25, 2018, 05:09 PM

The security guard reminds me of Ving Rames.
The loser in blue is leakin’ pretty good. He’s gonna feel that one tomorrow.

briandg · January 28, 2018, 07:41 PM

I really didn't like the way he handled that. Just walked in and shot them without knowing what the situation was. A cop would have fried.

SIGSHR · January 29, 2018, 03:20 PM

Why isn't the "media" picking it up ?
They can't play the race card with this one.
That guard gets the Jeff Cooper Award for Combat Mindset.
Looks like he has a 38 Special revolver. Yes, I know-Minor Caliber.
Hits with Minor Calibers hurt worse than Misses with Majors.

nanney1 · January 29, 2018, 03:39 PM

I've watched this a few times to try and figure out what happened. I originally thought the first shot was a miss. But it looks like the guy in the blue hoodie was going to the ground after the first shot. So, maybe the first shot hit him in the arm and the second was a miss.

And then he reaches over the counter and shoots the guy crouching down. I assume another arm shot? He was talking but not sure he had been shot.

Also, when he walks in and starts shooting, the clerk was right beside of the blue hoodie guy.

johnwilliamson062 · January 29, 2018, 11:16 PM

Quote:

I really didn't like the way he handled that. Just walked in and shot them without knowing what the situation was. A cop would have fried.

I think he may have either been watching through the window or responding to an alarm or video feed, possibly watched by a dispatcher. He may have been very familiar with both the clerk/establishment and the two robbers.

briandg · January 30, 2018, 08:54 AM

If that video was altered through cgi or re-enacted to show a white cop, the repercussions would be horrific. Black on black is acceptable to most people because it can't be interpreted as racially motivated. Come on, the guy walked into the place and escalated straight to shooting them.

The video is open to interpretation by anyone who watches it. It doesn't matter what information he had, he showed no fear or concern. He didn't even call it in or instruct the victim to do so. He just stood there, rocking back and forth, talking street.

I know that a lot of people are okay with it, but if that was my son and a cop was caught on tape doing it, after I was through ripping the kid's broken arm off, I'd have a talk with the chief.

**Aguila Blanca** · January 30, 2018, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briandg

The video is open to interpretation by anyone who watches it. It doesn't matter what information he had, he showed no fear or concern. He didn't even call it in or instruct the victim to do so. He just stood there, rocking back and forth, talking street.

0:45 "Call 9-1-1"

johnwilliamson062 · January 30, 2018, 11:43 AM

Quote:

The video is open to interpretation by anyone who watches it. It doesn't matter what information he had, he showed no fear or concern. He didn't even call it in or instruct the victim to do so. He just stood there, rocking back and forth, talking street.

They were holding a hostage at gunpoint...
As posted above, he told the clerk to call 9-1-1 as soon as the situation was under some semblance of control.

briandg · January 30, 2018, 01:39 PM

I didn't understand what that he had said.

At the point that he fired the third shot there was no hostage. I'm not sure where you would actually define that as a hostage situation.

Apparently you two have no qualms about a non police security guard shooting so casually.

SIGSHR · January 30, 2018, 02:23 PM

If he showed no fear or concern he's one cool dude-probably channeling Charlie Askins.

January 14, 2018, 05:50 PM	#1
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	7/11 robbery with robbers shot 2 robbers walk into 7/11 in Hamilton, NJ and attempt to rob the store. They are foiled when an armed security guard walks in and calmly shoots them. I don't particularly care for his verbal commands like put your hands behind your back or his act of climbing over the counter (puts him momentarily at a disadvantage), but he got the job done and wasn't hurt. https://youtu.be/cfsOgarSc-Q __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

January 14, 2018, 06:12 PM	#2
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,971	Be aware that the video contains NSFW language. Security guard fires two shots. "Ahhh! It's fake!" Security guard fires another shot. "Ahhh! It's fake! It's fake!" "Oh well... Mine is real..." Looks like 3 shots fired and 3 hits made with a revolver. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

January 14, 2018, 08:02 PM	#4
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Stupid prizes for stupid actions. My favorite line was the 'duuuuhhh' question when the robber on the right saw blood hoping for a different answer: Robber: "Am I shot???" Guard: "Oh F... yea!" __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

January 14, 2018, 09:57 PM	#7
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	One thing that caught my interest is how a differently a cop would have responded. Guard is very much like Dirty Harry. Walks in, begins firing. Most cops would wait for backup. Flank the entrance and out of sight. Confront thieves outside the store to prevent hostage situation. Shotgun out and aimed at suspect. Shout, "Police! Don't move expletive Hands up expletive" or "Police, drop the gun expletive! Instead the guard walks in blasting and then tells guy hands up. Then hands behind the back. That's a no-no. There could be another firearm behind his back. Keep the hands in sight please. Climbing over the counter was a shocker. He's at a disadvantage while in transit. Turns his back on a suspect. Still, despite all his mistakes, he came out Dirty Harry cool and clean. I give the guard a lot of credit for his bravery and coolness under stress. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

January 16, 2018, 02:14 PM	#10
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Does anyone else find it interesting that most of the media hasn’t picked this up? One NJ radio station is questioning it now. http://nj1015.com/good-guy-with-a-gu...otogallery-1=2 __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

January 14, 2018, 07:53 PM	#3
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,458	I love a story with a happy ending. Another example of a failure in the victim selection process. Not quite as bad as trying to hold up a barroom full of off-duty cops, but close.

January 14, 2018, 08:53 PM	#5
lamarw Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2010 Location: Lake Martin, AL Posts: 3,311	I would be willing to bet the guard was armed with a .357 Magnum.

January 16, 2018, 12:53 PM	#9
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	That security guard doesn't play around, "mines is real" lol.

January 17, 2018, 10:54 AM	#11
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Looks like it was in Compton California, not NJ. Not sure that matters overall. It was still nice to see a good guy with a gun mop up a bad guy with a (fake) gun. http://nj1015.com/nope-good-guy-with...s-wasnt-in-nj/ __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

January 23, 2018, 07:14 PM	#12
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	Looks like it was not in NJ and not in Compton, but was actually in Gardena, California. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/...ith-fake-guns/ Guard is not facing any charges at this point. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

January 23, 2018, 09:22 PM	#13
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	In my state an armed guard is required to attend 20 hours of classes to gain certification. The police academy is many times that. Then officers usually receive a lot of additional training and oversight on the job. An armed guard better hit the ground running. Armed guards also tend to do a lot more brawling. Many are pushed to exceed their legal bounds. Certainly not perfect, but he stayed as calm as the rest of us do in the best of our fantasies.

January 23, 2018, 09:27 PM	#14
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Bottom line: A good guy with a (REAL) gun stopped 2 bad guys with a (fake) gun. The pair have been nominated for a Darwin Award. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

January 24, 2018, 11:25 AM	#15
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	That was one calm and cool security guard. Glad it all turned out safe for the good guys. __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

January 25, 2018, 05:09 PM	#16
McHoss Junior Member Join Date: January 21, 2018 Posts: 2	The security guard reminds me of Ving Rames. The loser in blue is leakin’ pretty good. He’s gonna feel that one tomorrow.

January 28, 2018, 07:41 PM	#17
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I really didn't like the way he handled that. Just walked in and shot them without knowing what the situation was. A cop would have fried. __________________ None.

January 29, 2018, 03:20 PM	#18
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Why isn't the "media" picking it up ? They can't play the race card with this one. That guard gets the Jeff Cooper Award for Combat Mindset. Looks like he has a 38 Special revolver. Yes, I know-Minor Caliber. Hits with Minor Calibers hurt worse than Misses with Majors.

January 29, 2018, 03:39 PM	#19
nanney1 Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2017 Posts: 239	I've watched this a few times to try and figure out what happened. I originally thought the first shot was a miss. But it looks like the guy in the blue hoodie was going to the ground after the first shot. So, maybe the first shot hit him in the arm and the second was a miss. And then he reaches over the counter and shoots the guy crouching down. I assume another arm shot? He was talking but not sure he had been shot. Also, when he walks in and starts shooting, the clerk was right beside of the blue hoodie guy.

January 30, 2018, 08:54 AM	#21
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	If that video was altered through cgi or re-enacted to show a white cop, the repercussions would be horrific. Black on black is acceptable to most people because it can't be interpreted as racially motivated. Come on, the guy walked into the place and escalated straight to shooting them. The video is open to interpretation by anyone who watches it. It doesn't matter what information he had, he showed no fear or concern. He didn't even call it in or instruct the victim to do so. He just stood there, rocking back and forth, talking street. I know that a lot of people are okay with it, but if that was my son and a cop was caught on tape doing it, after I was through ripping the kid's broken arm off, I'd have a talk with the chief. __________________ None.

January 30, 2018, 01:39 PM	#24
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I didn't understand what that he had said. At the point that he fired the third shot there was no hostage. I'm not sure where you would actually define that as a hostage situation. Apparently you two have no qualms about a non police security guard shooting so casually. __________________ None.

January 30, 2018, 02:23 PM	#25
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	If he showed no fear or concern he's one cool dude-probably channeling Charlie Askins.

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