Water & Wings in PA - closed? - Page 2

K80Geoff · February 3, 2005, 05:14 PM

Mike I have heard about Wicen's Farm somewhere. Probably it was mentioned on TFL somewhere.

You and Mr Pop can do some recon I'm sure.

$10 a day sounds reasonable.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · February 3, 2005, 05:36 PM

WOW.........
I thought my range in Jersey would have been shut down WAY before W&W.

Jamie and crew:
You are always welcome to come to my "little range" if you need a stress relieving day.

(When do we want the next Jersey Shoot to happen?)

RW3

shaggy · February 3, 2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Anyone heard of this place?

F. & S. Wicen
3179 Mozart Rd.
Furlong, Pa. 18925
Buckingham Twp.

215-598-3534

It was listed in the PA Club over at GT. Supposed to a farm or something.

OK found this:

F. & S. Wicen

Right above Warrington/Willowgrove area.

Been there about a year ago. What a fiasco.

They had set up for a military vehicle show and machinegun shoot, but apparently didn't notify the local Barney Fife. Within about an hour of opening up the line, the police were on site asking for everyone to show paper & stamps. Bottom line was that the shoot was then cancelled and althugh they refunded everyone's money, many paople (myself included) came from quite a way to go shooting and expected a bit more than an hour on the line. From what I've been able to find out since, it seems they've received quite a few complaints from a neighbor who happens to be a local developer with an interest in buying the land to turn into yet another eyesore of a development. Like we need more 'rural rowhomes' for more soccer moms to move in...

Anyhow, they were supposed to go to court to see what they could do against the township, but I'm not sure how it all played out, or even if its all played out at this point. It could be a good place to shoot, but they do need to work on the backstop. In all fairness, houses can be seen not too far from the firing line and a ND could easily get out of the range property and into someone's home.

shaggy · February 3, 2005, 05:52 PM

BTW - If anyone hs any leads on reasonably priced acreage for sale in PA anywhere east of Williamsport, please let me know.

Jamie Young · February 3, 2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

(When do we want the next Jersey Shoot to happen?)

Ray! Check your PM over at American Backyard!!!

I'd like to hold another gathering in late April or May.

I really have to make sure I plan these PA shoots out well ahead of time. The guys over www.ambackforum.com are all gonna wanna come out and these shoots are already pretty big.

I have to make sure it's after Turkey season so PappyJohn shows up.

K80Geoff · February 4, 2005, 08:12 AM

Shaggy...I knew I had heard about that place somewhere. I remember that incident now, it was a problem with full auto and a local constable not familiar with law. Still it caused problems with the locals.

There is a thread somewhere on THR or another forum.

As to affordable land, best thing to do is get the local "Shopping Guide" or "Pennysaver" type paper in the area you are interested in. The best pieces of land are shopped to the locals first before they go to the National Real Estate types.

I wish I had known that before I escaped from NY. I got lucky and stumbled onto a good piece purely by luck after searching through normal channels for almost a year.

Jamie Young · February 4, 2005, 12:05 PM

I remember hearing about that too.

Was that the place where they held the "PA Car shoots?"

K80Geoff · February 4, 2005, 12:17 PM

You are probably referring to the "Root Shoot" that was held up here near me. Was on AR15.com a few years ago.

Been looking for that guy but cannot find him

If they held another one I would most certainly hear about it, or hear it as it was in the next township over.

I think he was shut down.

DanV1317 · February 10, 2005, 08:08 PM

A place named Plamerton off the turnpike inbetween philly and scranton somewhere...1,2, and 300 yard ranges. I dont know much about, i'll have arc angel post. he knows more about it.

9mmMike · February 12, 2005, 04:57 PM

Just got in from Lehigh Valley Sporting Clay. Nice place. The club house is small but the sporting clay course is excellent. They have A & B stations at every, well, station. The small map at each station is on a "white-board" and it looks like they change the course often.
The place itself is really cool. Shooting around all those broken down factory building is just plain neat. If they could import some zombies, they'd fit right in. There were several Rabbits and a few mini's as well, including a true-pair of mini's. Those things are quick.
The guns that we saw would pay off a good part of my mortgage. Lot's of neat stuff for sale on the bulletin board as well. K80's, K80 barrels, Silver Pigeon II, Red Label, Gold Pigeon, and some high-end stuff that I recognized but I can not spell. And there we were with an unamed Spanish OU, a two year old Remington Express with 28" VR barrel and my '55 Wingmaster with a plain 28" barrel.
The course is in excellent shape. Quite a change from W&W which more often than not has at least two stations down for repairs.
Since it was our first time we had to use a "trapper". We had a young lad named Andy who was actually very helpful as a coach and he was a pretty good sport to not make too much fun about our guns. He was fascinated by the fact that we had a couple pump-guns and I suspect he does not often see a gun worth less than 2K or at least 1.5K, let alone less than 150.00.
We shot the "B" stations on report except for the final which we shot as a double.
It was very windy and freakin' freezing in Allentown but it was still a real hoot.
By the way, we passed through Guthsville on the way and I do believe there is a very nice rifle/pistol range there so we might be able to do some sort of combo day or weekend shoot. I mean this place was a stone's throw away.
It was 35.00 for 100 clays (33.00 for NRA members or Vets) and 15.00 for the four seater cart which we split three ways. Overall this is, I think, about 5 (or 3) bucks more than W&W.
Can't wait to go again!
Mike

K80Geoff · February 13, 2005, 10:02 AM

Well for me it would be closer, but that will probably be a minus for most of the people involved

PS Finally got a 28"barrel did you

9mmMike · February 14, 2005, 11:14 PM

28" barrel....

It came on the '55; a plain single beaded job. It's very odd, for me, to shoot an 870 without rifle-sights or at least twin beads on a vent-rib. Suddenly cheek-weld really matters!

Thinking about heading up again on Monday, Presidents' Day, it they're open.

MLC · February 27, 2005, 07:29 PM

Has anyone been to W&W this month?
Are they actually closing or is it just rumored as such?
I've been handloading for several rifles with the 500 yard backer in mind.
A friend of mine told me that Wicens was shut down for good becasue of development in the area, but I have yet to drive by.
I was there in December and Steve Wicen told me the military show fiasco cost them over 100K in range overhaul and legal fees.
They were also allowing semi-autos centerfires, which was a first in the 10 years I've been going.

David Park · February 27, 2005, 08:43 PM

If any "regulars" want to have an impromptu get-together at W&W, let me know. I really need to get out and shoot, and I don't have any gun shows in March, so me weekends are free. I also still have a heavy box with 9mmMike's name on it.

K80Geoff · February 28, 2005, 12:27 PM

I am in dire need of some serious "Trigger Time". PGC range has been snowed in for months

How about March 12 or 13.

Let's start the snivelin and get this settled.

David DiFabio · February 28, 2005, 12:55 PM

For you rifle shooters Atglen is the best place in southern PA:
Atglen Sportsmen's Club, 85 Creek Rd, Atglen, PA 19310 (Mailing: P.O. Box 35, Parkesburg, PA 19365). TEL: 610-593-6096
It is members only but the dues are very cheap and joining is easy.
The rifle range goes to 500 yards and there is also 25 and 50 yard pistol.

9mmMike · February 28, 2005, 03:28 PM

Quote:

If any "regulars" want to have an impromptu get-together at W&W, let me know. I really need to get out and shoot, and I don't have any gun shows in March, so me weekends are free. I also still have a heavy box with 9mmMike's name on it.

Too funny. I was just thinking about that on Friday. I picked up a 200 round battle pack at my favorite shop to hold me over!
We'll be heading up to Tamaqua (sp?) to greet some returning soldiers (including my great friend Joe) this Saturday but I think that Sunday (after church) is open for a trip to W&W. My next open day is Saturday, 3/19.

Mike

ursus · March 5, 2005, 03:54 AM

http://www.guthsville.com/gunclubs.htm

David Park · March 10, 2005, 10:47 PM

March 13 or 19 are good for me, AFAIK.

K80Geoff · March 11, 2005, 10:02 PM

How bout the 19th...OK for me

FlyinGN · March 12, 2005, 07:22 AM

19th sound good

David Park · March 19, 2005, 06:38 AM

I hope I see you guys there today!

K80Geoff · March 19, 2005, 04:30 PM

Oh Poop!!!

I thought it was tomorrow (sunday)

David Park · March 19, 2005, 05:07 PM

I should have given more warning. I had the range to myself for two hours, so I got to do something I rarely do at W&W: shoot! The pistol range is still a lake beyond 15 yards or so, but the rifle range seemed pretty solid.

I think I'm free again on April 2-3, but that may change.

Jamie Young · March 19, 2005, 10:37 PM

Who went?

February 3, 2005, 05:14 PM	#26
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Mike I have heard about Wicen's Farm somewhere. Probably it was mentioned on TFL somewhere. You and Mr Pop can do some recon I'm sure. $10 a day sounds reasonable. __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

February 3, 2005, 05:36 PM	#27
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Sorry to hear this............. WOW......... I thought my range in Jersey would have been shut down WAY before W&W. Jamie and crew: You are always welcome to come to my "little range" if you need a stress relieving day. (When do we want the next Jersey Shoot to happen?) RW3 __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

February 4, 2005, 08:12 AM	#31
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Shaggy...I knew I had heard about that place somewhere. I remember that incident now, it was a problem with full auto and a local constable not familiar with law. Still it caused problems with the locals. There is a thread somewhere on THR or another forum. As to affordable land, best thing to do is get the local "Shopping Guide" or "Pennysaver" type paper in the area you are interested in. The best pieces of land are shopped to the locals first before they go to the National Real Estate types. I wish I had known that before I escaped from NY. I got lucky and stumbled onto a good piece purely by luck after searching through normal channels for almost a year. __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

February 4, 2005, 12:05 PM	#32
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	I remember hearing about that too. Was that the place where they held the "PA Car shoots?" __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

February 4, 2005, 12:17 PM	#33
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	You are probably referring to the "Root Shoot" that was held up here near me. Was on AR15.com a few years ago. Been looking for that guy but cannot find him If they held another one I would most certainly hear about it, or hear it as it was in the next township over. I think he was shut down. __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

February 3, 2005, 05:52 PM	#29
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	BTW - If anyone hs any leads on reasonably priced acreage for sale in PA anywhere east of Williamsport, please let me know.

February 10, 2005, 08:08 PM	#34
DanV1317 Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2004 Posts: 331	A place named Plamerton off the turnpike inbetween philly and scranton somewhere...1,2, and 300 yard ranges. I dont know much about, i'll have arc angel post. he knows more about it.

February 12, 2005, 04:57 PM	#35
9mmMike Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,049	Just got in from Lehigh Valley Sporting Clay. Nice place. The club house is small but the sporting clay course is excellent. They have A & B stations at every, well, station. The small map at each station is on a "white-board" and it looks like they change the course often. The place itself is really cool. Shooting around all those broken down factory building is just plain neat. If they could import some zombies, they'd fit right in. There were several Rabbits and a few mini's as well, including a true-pair of mini's. Those things are quick. The guns that we saw would pay off a good part of my mortgage. Lot's of neat stuff for sale on the bulletin board as well. K80's, K80 barrels, Silver Pigeon II, Red Label, Gold Pigeon, and some high-end stuff that I recognized but I can not spell. And there we were with an unamed Spanish OU, a two year old Remington Express with 28" VR barrel and my '55 Wingmaster with a plain 28" barrel. The course is in excellent shape. Quite a change from W&W which more often than not has at least two stations down for repairs. Since it was our first time we had to use a "trapper". We had a young lad named Andy who was actually very helpful as a coach and he was a pretty good sport to not make too much fun about our guns. He was fascinated by the fact that we had a couple pump-guns and I suspect he does not often see a gun worth less than 2K or at least 1.5K, let alone less than 150.00. We shot the "B" stations on report except for the final which we shot as a double. It was very windy and freakin' freezing in Allentown but it was still a real hoot. By the way, we passed through Guthsville on the way and I do believe there is a very nice rifle/pistol range there so we might be able to do some sort of combo day or weekend shoot. I mean this place was a stone's throw away. It was 35.00 for 100 clays (33.00 for NRA members or Vets) and 15.00 for the four seater cart which we split three ways. Overall this is, I think, about 5 (or 3) bucks more than W&W. Can't wait to go again! Mike __________________ "Freedom is not free" Visit TheRallyPoint.org TheRallyPoint at LRGC- Saturday August 26th IF YOU LIVE IN PA AND DID NOT VOTE, YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR GUNS!

February 13, 2005, 10:02 AM	#36
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Well for me it would be closer, but that will probably be a minus for most of the people involved PS Finally got a 28"barrel did you __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

February 14, 2005, 11:14 PM	#37
9mmMike Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,049	28" barrel.... It came on the '55; a plain single beaded job. It's very odd, for me, to shoot an 870 without rifle-sights or at least twin beads on a vent-rib. Suddenly cheek-weld really matters! Thinking about heading up again on Monday, Presidents' Day, it they're open. __________________ "Freedom is not free" Visit TheRallyPoint.org TheRallyPoint at LRGC- Saturday August 26th IF YOU LIVE IN PA AND DID NOT VOTE, YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR GUNS!

February 27, 2005, 07:29 PM	#38
MLC Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2001 Location: New Hope, PA Posts: 230	Has anyone been to W&W this month? Are they actually closing or is it just rumored as such? I've been handloading for several rifles with the 500 yard backer in mind. A friend of mine told me that Wicens was shut down for good becasue of development in the area, but I have yet to drive by. I was there in December and Steve Wicen told me the military show fiasco cost them over 100K in range overhaul and legal fees. They were also allowing semi-autos centerfires, which was a first in the 10 years I've been going.

February 27, 2005, 08:43 PM	#39
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	If any "regulars" want to have an impromptu get-together at W&W, let me know. I really need to get out and shoot, and I don't have any gun shows in March, so me weekends are free. I also still have a heavy box with 9mmMike's name on it.

February 28, 2005, 12:27 PM	#40
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	I am in dire need of some serious "Trigger Time". PGC range has been snowed in for months How about March 12 or 13. Let's start the snivelin and get this settled. __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

February 28, 2005, 12:55 PM	#41
David DiFabio Member Join Date: January 10, 2002 Posts: 39	For you rifle shooters Atglen is the best place in southern PA: Atglen Sportsmen's Club, 85 Creek Rd, Atglen, PA 19310 (Mailing: P.O. Box 35, Parkesburg, PA 19365). TEL: 610-593-6096 It is members only but the dues are very cheap and joining is easy. The rifle range goes to 500 yards and there is also 25 and 50 yard pistol.

March 5, 2005, 03:54 AM	#43
ursus Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 1999 Posts: 132	http://www.guthsville.com/gunclubs.htm

March 10, 2005, 10:47 PM	#44
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	March 13 or 19 are good for me, AFAIK.

March 11, 2005, 10:02 PM	#45
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	How bout the 19th...OK for me __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

March 12, 2005, 07:22 AM	#46
FlyinGN Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2001 Location: South Jersey Posts: 402	19th sound good __________________ S&W 686 Distinguished Combat magnum 6" polished, Beretta 92FS in stainless, Armscor 1911A1 in stainless,Alchemy Arms Spectre stainless/aluminum, S&W 22A 7" fluted, Taurus tracker in .17HMR 8" stainless, Firestorm mini 9 Benelli Nova 12ga in black, Winchester 190

March 19, 2005, 06:38 AM	#47
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	I hope I see you guys there today!

March 19, 2005, 04:30 PM	#48
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Oh Poop!!! I thought it was tomorrow (sunday) __________________ I am no longer a member of this forum. Bye!

March 19, 2005, 05:07 PM	#49
David Park Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 1,224	I should have given more warning. I had the range to myself for two hours, so I got to do something I rarely do at W&W: shoot! The pistol range is still a lake beyond 15 yards or so, but the rifle range seemed pretty solid. I think I'm free again on April 2-3, but that may change.

March 19, 2005, 10:37 PM	#50
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Who went? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

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