July 9, 2020, 10:00 AM | #26 |
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Needing a permit to purchase should be illegal.
The 2nd amendment states "shall not be infringed" & if that is not infringement I don't know what is. Just build 80% guns & do away with the paperwork. |
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gaseousclay---please feel free to correct me on this.
1. In Minnesota to purchase a handgun or a scary looking rifle you have to have a Minnesota "Permit to Purchase" (PTP) card. This means you go down to your local law enforcement agency get a form, fill it out then hand it in and in a couple of weeks you can return to the law enforcement facility and pick up your business card sized paper PTP card. There is no fee in Minnesota to get your PTP card. Since it's a state thing I don't think the 3-day Federal rules apply. 2. Now when you see a hand gun or scary looking rifle you want you show the clerk your PTP card. He allows how it's valid and then you get to fill out the Federal forms (4473) we all know and love and get the NICS background check that we all know and love. By scary looking rifle I mean "assault weapon" like rifle, even if it is a .22LR. As in a Remington 597 .22 LR in factory pistol grip tacticool dress needs a PTP. The Remington 597 .22 LR with a "normal" rifle stock does not need a PTP. Silly? We are loooooong past silly. And on top of this our Minnesota anti-gun group "Protect Minnesota" claims: Quote:
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July 9, 2020, 05:33 PM | #28 |
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i live in a free state where you dont need a permission slip to exercise your god given and federally protected right to bear arms.
We as gun owners need to stand up for our rights. The others are always happy to protest, rumble and destroy to get the results they want. We need to do the same.
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You’re correct. The PTP is for handguns and “scary assault rifles” with a pistol grip I believe. My PTP took 10 days to get. |
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The approved 4473 is good for 30 days after the date it's initially signed in Section A. You just need to sign and date the re-certification block in section C (bottom of page 2)
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It is sad to listen to stories like these. I live in a free state, I still have to fill out the 4473 but the wait/background check never takes more then 10 minutes. I lay my money down and walk out with my gun, scary looking or not.
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Here in Idaho there is no PTP. And if you have a current concealed carry permit no background check at purchase either. And when a background check is required (no ccw permit) it only takes about 10 minutes while you wait.
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I did not even have to go through so much red tape for NFA stuff. The local chief of police signed my form for me to get a suppressor while walking out to his car to go to lunch.
I have a LTC handgun so my background check was taken care of. I show that at the gun store, and they do not have to make the NICS call. Last time I purchased a pistol it took 10 minutes from the time I said "I'll take it." to the time I was walking out to my car with it.
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Virginia does not have a PTP but we do have the requirement of doing a 4473 and an almost identical Virginia background check when you buy a gun. Rural King sells a lot of guns and they happen to be in the same town as a State Police area headquarters. I have seen someone do a background check and the State Police would come and arrest them before they could leave the store. I suspect someone had outstanding warrants or other problems and the background check simply told the State Police where they were. The State Police would call the store and ask them to stall until they got there. I have no problem with it as you get your gun in just a few minutes if there are no issues.
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Permit to "purchase" and to CCW, are two "separate" processes.
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However, each state had it's own political agenda to supplement as well as putting foolish restrictions and rules, such as AR types, magazines, FOID cards and so forth. Again, if you purchase from an FFL dealer, a Background check is conducted.. The nice thing about our Iowa law is that you also have the option of obtaining a "Permit-to-Purchase a Handgun". You fill out an application, wait a "max" of three working days, pay a yearly fee of $5.00 and go buy as many handguns as you can afford. Well, almost. For now, with that same permit, I can buy any Semi-auto long-gun as well, during that year.... ... Now then, If I wish to do a CCW, I go through another background check. Right now, pay a $50.00 fee and meet addition requirement. If you are a US Vet, you show your DD-214 and the permit is yours and good for 5 years. The Permit to "purchase" and to CCW, are two "separate" processes; one is Federal and one is State/County. .... Be happy and; Be Safe !!!
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Failing to get them passed through the Legislature, they were passed as voter initiatives, failing in every county of the state except the 5 counties of the "I-5 Corridor" Where, the sheer number of un and under informed voters were subject to ad campaigns which lied to them, often boldly about how the new law was "needed", etc. Enough people "did what they were told" and they became law. Court challenges are underway... Quote:
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My State of "Iowa"
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Not a problem.
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Then you have dealers that phones in an ID on a person that wants to Purchase a handgun and that person gets denied and no reason given. Later the dealer may call back and the purchaser , gets approved. ..... Be Safe !!!
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Either way, I got my P2P a little over 2 weeks ago. Took 10 days to receive it in the mail. Ordered a handgun from my LGS soon after but will still have to fill out form 4473 when I pick it up. That’s the part I don’t understand. The Mpls PD do a background check just to approve the P2P and then I do another. But, as someone posted earlier, could be that they do another check to make sure no crimes were committed from the time you get your P2P to the time you leave the store with your gun. ������ |
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Here in Texas if you have a permit to carry concealed the purchase of a hand hun requires you fill out a 4473, pay for the weapon and take it out the door with you.....permit to purchase??? God Almighty!
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A good option for Iowa
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It's my "opinion" that the "option" of having a "Permit to Purchase a Handgun", Is a good thing as it allows citizens to purchase a handgun as well as a long-gun, for home protection. Many choose not to carry and this is a very affordable option; ($5.00 + 3-days). When "Shall-Issue" went into effect, there were many who wet through the process and obtained their CCW. To a certain degree, many have decided, not to renew. ...... Be Safe !!!
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Here in Idaho if some lame-brain official tried to get a PTP law passed he would be extremely LUCKY to avoid a NOOSE and a public kicking and strangling execution.
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